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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
MO39 wrote:
Prof. Gringo, If you worked 8 hours a day at your "better job", you were making a whole 55 pesos an hour. What's so great about that? Confused

I don't think Prof Gringo was claiming that 8800 pesos was a great salary so much as it paid for the rent and expenses a lot better than the 6000 pesos jobs the OP is talking about.


Thank You! Laughing

I don't think that eight or nine grand pesos is a great salary. I do think that it is a lot better than working for $5,000 or $6,000 pesos and having to do a bunch of work on the side to boot.

MO39, the school uses a methodology that doesn't involve lesson planning. Also, the group size was very small, 4 students max. The students did learn English and they seemed to enjoy the school and it's method. I supplemented the regular classes with ones which I did plan. I also added to the schools method and often taught from my own material. Which, any good director or owner will encourage their teachers to do.

No, the school wasn't "shady". They paid me every week, on-time and with no problems whatsoever. They never had a foreign teacher before and they didn't know much about the immigration process and the FM-3. In, fact the owner/director took me to immigration so we could see what we needed for an FM-3. After thinking about it I declined the FM-3 and just continued working for cash. I wasn't sure if I was going to stay in Mexico at that time. So, before you come on here and say that I was working for a "shady" school, please get the facts straight. Thanks.


BTW what's a good job for you then? Traveling all over DF for hours on end and getting no vacation or other benefits for $140-180 pesos an hour aka business classes? Not my cup of tea. Give me a language institute or a colegio with kids any day.


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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
ls650 wrote:
MO39 wrote:
Prof. Gringo, If you worked 8 hours a day at your "better job", you were making a whole 55 pesos an hour. What's so great about that? Confused

I don't think Prof Gringo was claiming that 8800 pesos was a great salary so much as it paid for the rent and expenses a lot better than the 6000 pesos jobs the OP is talking about.


Thank You! Laughing

I don't think that eight or nine grand pesos is a great salary. I do think that it is a lot better than working for $5,000 or $6,000 pesos and having to do a bunch of work on the side to boot.

MO39, the school uses a methodology that doesn't involve lesson planning. Also, the group size was very small, 4 students max. The students did learn English and they seemed to enjoy the school and it's method. I supplemented the regular classes with ones which I did plan. I also added to the schools method and often taught from my own material. Which, any good director or owner will encourage their teachers to do.

No, the school wasn't "shady". They paid me every week, on-time and with no problems whatsoever. They never had a foreign teacher before and they didn't know much about the immigration process and the FM-3. In, fact the owner/director took me to immigration so we could see what we needed for an FM-3. After thinking about it I declined the FM-3 and just continued working for cash. I wasn't sure if I was going to stay in Mexico at that time. So, before you come on here and say that I was working for a "shady" school, please get the facts straight. Thanks.


BTW what's a good job for you then? Traveling all over DF for hours on end and getting no vacation or other benefits for $140-180 pesos an hour aka business classes? Not my cup of tea. Give me a language institute or a colegio with kids any day.


Well, I wouldn't have used the word "shady" if you had explained the situation at this school a little better. Many schools pay their teachers in cash to avoid paying taxes and having to get them an FM3. Also, the fact that you were their first foreign teacher explains the low wages - in my experience, schools with all Mexican teachers do not pay very well.

The fact that the classes were so delightfully small explains how you could teach well, having to deal with 8 classes a day. Though I fear that if I had to teach that many hours a day, my voice would give out long before the last group met. I'm glad that your students learned some English while you were their teacher - that's more than several of my recent private students have been able to say about the schools they had studied at in the D.F., which is why they sought me out as a teacher!

Everyone does what they think is best for themselves - I would rather travel around the city a bit (though not too much) and teach maybe 12 to 15 hours a week for 150 to 180 pesos an hour than work as many hours as you did at that school. To each her or his own!
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corporatehuman



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Business english can really get a bad rap sometimes I've noticed. Once you get the hang of it all you do is just accept classes in a certain radius where you live. As of right now all of my classes but one (and that's about ten classes) are within a 15 to 20 minute bike ride maximum. Granted...at the beginning I definitely did some travelling; I quickly eliminated those classes and just kept searching for ones that are closer and closer. Now I won't accept a class unless I can get there on a bicycle within that allotted time.

I did work for a language school briefly, that sounds similar to the one you described; but I left it because of the money.

The big advantage for me of business english is that after every class I come home so I can eat, and then I have time to read and write during the day. Run errands. Whatever. In general I always have 3 to 4 hours during the day to do whatever I want.

Also the 150 to 180 price eventually becomes too low. You can charge easily 200 to 250 now. Then you can charge 300. After that, 350, 400...you get the idea! You just keep charging more until...

You get kidnapped!

And you know, part of the fun is the travelling actually and meeting new people. I have classes in an office on top of the Plaza de Computacion. A place I normally would have been intimidated going to...having not known anyone. Having just a class there opened up the whole area to me. While I have many, many other Mexican students that think I am crazy to teach there; now I love the Plaza!

I have a Cuban student who recently came over on a raft from Cuba. He has a P.H.D in economics and well the raft story is AMAZING! Dramatic. Cinematic!

I mean, -some-, not all, have great stories. And I love having the opportunity to collect these stories and meet these people. As you know business english classes come and go (its an ephemeral, constantly changing art) so you are constantly meeting new people.

I bicycle to the center everyday and have stumbled into welcome and unwelcoming sites. All sorts of people, some dead, some limping, alive -- I've seen a huge ambulante bust where they arrested over a 100 people. Yes I was in it!

And I am teaching English!

Well it's not for everyone. But I love the energy of being on the streets and walking around Mexico City, or bicycling in my case. This is one of the thing my classes afford...it forces me to...well, GET OUT of the apartment.

I love schools too, though, don't get me wrong. I just think the experience is entirely different. I've done both. For now this is what I choose.

The big disadvantage of business english is no health insurance, and paid vacations (as you stated.). However I did have typhoid in Mexico City and to cure myself I spent I think 400 or 500 pesos in total. Also if you save your money right you can actually give yourself a vacation (I did this recently...a month long visit to the U.S.).

It's not for everyone, but I think people with certain personalities really enjoy being able to work independently out of a school administrative atmosphere.
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