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[Milenka]

[Prof.Gringo]

so now opinions get you to hell? You guys are worst than the most right-wing religious nut jobs.

I don't have any respect for a bunch of commie loser thugs trying to breakdown the law and order of society.

Let the government do what has to be done to restore law and order, at any cost. The same with the narcos and the terrorists.

BTW when I did riot training with the US national guard I wasn't in the military.

I did serve with pride in the US Army, something most of you could never understand.

Thank God there are people that are willing to defend the rights of people like all of you to say whatever you want.

[Prof.Gringo]

[throwdownyourcrutches]

Prof Gringo, I am glad you do not have thin skin! I appreciate all that you bring to this group. I appreciate what you say and the way you say it. Thanks.

[Guy Courchesne]

[Prof.Gringo]

[Prof.Gringo]

[El Gallo]

[Guy Courchesne]

[corporatehuman]

But those kids in the My Lai massacre were just a bunch of commies anyway! If they had let them live they'd have grown up and would have tried to have a commie revolution right Prof?

[dixie]

PG, why is everyone who does not hold your view a commie? Or a hippie-liberal?

[El Gallo]

Here's and interesting article from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7646473.stm

[Prof.Gringo]

Let's have a look at what constitutes the difference between Civil disobedience and civil disorder-

For example, Mahatma Gandhi outlined the following rules, in the time when he was leading India in the struggle for Independence from the British Empire:

A civil resister (or satyagrahi) will harbour no anger.
He will suffer the anger of the opponent.
In so doing he will put up with assaults from the opponent, never retaliate; but he will not submit, out of fear of punishment or the like, to any order given in anger.
When any person in authority seeks to arrest a civil resister, he will voluntarily submit to the arrest, and he will not resist the attachment or removal of his own property, if any, when it is sought to be confiscated by authorities.
If a civil resister has any property in his possession as a trustee, he will refuse to surrender it, even though in defending it he might lose his life. He will, however, never retaliate.
Retaliation includes swearing and cursing.
Therefore a civil resister will never insult his opponent, and therefore also not take part in many of the newly coined cries which are contrary to the spirit of ahimsa.
A civil resister will not salute the Union Flag, nor will he insult it or officials, English or Indian.
In the course of the struggle if anyone insults an official or commits an assault upon him, a civil resister will protect such official or officials from the insult or attack even at the risk of his life.

Taken from- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Now let's take a look at civil disorder-


CHARACTERISTICS OF CIVIL DISORDER

Studies of the violent riots in Los Angeles and Miami, as well as a series of disturbances that took place in the Miami area throughout the 1980s, reveal a clear pattern in modern civil unrest. The seven elements of this pattern include:

* An incident or community event that is perceived negatively by a segment of the community serves as the catalyst

* Small--but very violent--groups of people take advantage of the situation and begin engaging in seemingly random acts of violence, such as throwing rocks and bottles, attacking innocent bystanders, and shooting at the police. (In fact, these attacks are generally planned and directed at specific types of victims.)

* This same small group initiates isolated acts of looting and arson

* As more citizens become involved, there is a gradual but steady increase in incidents of looting and arson

* Widespread acts of civil disruption--attacks on innocent people, looting, arson, sniper attacks---overwhelm law enforcement's ability to maintain control

* Many segments of the community join in, creating a "carnival-like" atmosphere

* After several days, activities gradually cease due to a large influx of police resources and a lack of interest on the part of citizens in the affected areas.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n3_v63/ai_15353027

So let's all be clear about that.

I don't have any probelm with civil disobedience whasoever. I do have a problem with civil disorder. The authorities have an obligation and a right to restore order as quickly as possible and to prevent further violence and threats to the government.

I also did an informal poll of my Mexican studnts the other day. Most (8/10) were all for the government using whatever force is needed, including torture, executions and death squads... I have never advocated or called for such extreme measures. But as always, liberals and the like take people's words totally out of context.

You guys are so far to the left you can't even think clearly. When you see somebody that doesn't agree with you, you just resort to name calling and bully tactics. Classic liberal way of thinking.

I hope you guys all have a great week!

Take care and see you again soon.

[Phil_K]

I won't get drawn into the debate, as I am not qualified to do so, as is the case with most people participating, but will just say that Prof. Gringo puts his case very eloquently (right or wrong) with research and without resorting to clich�s. I question his attack on "right-wingers" though, as his views appear to be veering slightly (!) to the right to me! (Not necessarily a bad thing).

[El Gallo]

"......bully tactics"??

Prof. Gringo's posts regarding this subject speak for themselves.

The saddest part of this is that they perpetuate the stereotypes Mexicans and the rest of the world have that Americans are arrogant thugs.