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scot47
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| Some people prefer life in cyberspace to the real world. Note how so many people prefer the world of "Reality TV" which is a representation of the unreal world of TV. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Now that we know I am not sharing or looking for any benefits and am just wondering about the salary, does anyone know the range of a part timer????? |
I don't want to sound glib but..... if you live w streets away from ELS, surely the obvious thing would be for you to pop in and ask someone there? |
Well... she may just want to have an idea before she goes whether they are trying to get her on the cheap or not. A little bargaining chip?
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luvz_teaching
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it that people speculate around the question rather than answer it 
If stopping by and asking about the salary was an option for me, I would have done it.
There is a difference between being offered something and seeing how flexible you can go through negotiation.
Do you honestly think if I pop there and ask people who I have never worked with before how much should I settle for, people will obligingly answer?!!!
What's the use of this forum then?
People here volunteer to help each other with their past and present experiences?
Or is there another use for this forum I am not aware of?    |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you honestly think if I pop there and ask people who I have never worked with before how much should I settle for, people will obligingly answer?!!! |
What you could do is visit the school, ask to see the person who does the hiring, give them your CV, and, if they express an interest in your services, enquire as to salary and conditions.
I actually agree with CK here. People on this board can tell you what they think you might get at ELS, or what they got or what a friend of theirs got 3 years ago and so on. But if you want to know what you will get in the here and now, it does seem a bit odd that you haven't crossed the road to find out for yourself.
I don't mean this in a bad way, but seeing that you've got a lot of helpful advice on this forum, I think your response to him is a bit OTT. Yes, people on this board can (and do) give advice and suggestions, but if you really want a job, you might just have to do a bit of legwork yourself. |
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luvz_teaching
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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� do appreciate everyone's advice,
What people didn't get is....
I did have an interview and an offer (I must have not explained this clearly enough somehow, i didn't know i was supposed to).
I was seeing if the offer is fair (due to private reasons), because I felt it a bit low.
That's what I meant when I said people speculate rather than answer.
It was easier to assume that I am a lazy person not willing to get off her***, rather than just help me out and realize I am asking this for a true reason.
Thankx a lot to everyone. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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What people didn't get is....
I did have an interview and an offer (I must have not explained this clearly enough somehow, i didn't know i was supposed to). |
With respect, how can people 'get' something they've never been informed of? No, you don't have to reveal information on this board, but if you want strangers to provide you with answers which are helpful to your personal situation, you would serve yourself better by providing any and all relevant information.
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| That's what I meant when I said people speculate rather than answer. |
I don't think anyone was 'speculating' but it's not reasonable to expect people to read between the lines when you don't provide information whih is relevant to the subject. Also, a few folks here are a bit sensitive to the notion that this forum is a 'counselling service' for those in search of instant answers. A few months ago, there were a lot of people on this board who came on - literally - demanding answers and got very peeved when they didn't instantly arrive (or when the answers that did arrive were not what they wanted to hear). I'm not saying you are one of these people because you aren't, but it's worth bearing in mind that nobody here is obliged to give advice. It's also possible that people simply don't know the answer to your question - which is why, as the other poster said, it might just be worth getting it from the horse's mouth. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| luvz_teaching wrote: |
I did have an interview and an offer (I must have not explained this clearly enough somehow, i didn't know i was supposed to).
I was seeing if the offer is fair (due to private reasons), because I felt it a bit low. |
First off... if you want a specific answer that fits your situation, you should always give those reading enough information to answer it... or at least not complain and criticize when their answer doesn't fit what you expect. You should also take into consideration the fact that there are at least 3 people asking about this establishment in this thread... thus posters will tend to answer more generally to try to cover everyone's bases.
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luvz_teaching
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Cleo, what you say makes sense. But I still felt pressured in to giving more information than I was willing to.
I didn't want any answers, I was waiting for a person who has worked/is working at ELS to give me one. If that person didn't come, I didn't mind.
Just as I have to take into consideration that people here are trying to help and not upset anyone, others here also have to take into consideration that those that ask questions might genuinely be asking these questions not taking short cuts. |
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luvz_teaching
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Having a terrible day 2day, too many important decisions to make. Honestly can't go into any of this right now.
Didn't mean to offend anyone. In the future, won't ask any questions if there is too much info I don't want to reveal.
Thankx for those whose intentions were truly to try to help.
LUVZ over and out for good.
Thankx guys. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleo, what you say makes sense. But I still felt pressured in to giving more information than I was willing to. |
Well, that's your choice. If for whatever reason you do not wish to divulge information which is very pertinent to your question, you have to accept that any answers you may receive may not be as complete or as relevant as you would wish. That's the way it goes. |
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usa_in_gulf
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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It should be simple: if you have relevant-first hand information to pass on... pass it on... if you don't... then move on.
There is no rule on this forum-- that I am aware of-- that states that everyone must comment on everything... whether they know anything or not.
The OP asked for pretty straight forward information---not speculation or rudeness. If you know--- tell her--if you don't move on. Its not "cool" or "impressive" when people appear to have the need to comment on every post--- and on top of it--be rude about it! 
The overwhelming number of unrelated and uninformative posts--combined with posts that are private conversations between people that should be taking place via private emails-- make it extremely cumbersome for anyone who is searching for information. |
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johnslat
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Dear usa_in_gulf,
I think the OP (j2008) was taken care of:
j2008
"Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: ELS Language Centers Riyadh
If you work here, please drop me a line. Is this a good place to work?
Thanks!
caballo
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: ELS Riyadh
Send me a PM with all of your questions and I'll provide the information.
At least, we never heard from her/him again. I wonder why luvz_teaching hasn't PMed caballo.
Regards,
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PoS2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Dear usa_in_gulf,
I think the OP (j2008) was taken care of:
j2008
"Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: ELS Language Centers Riyadh
If you work here, please drop me a line. Is this a good place to work?
Thanks!
caballo
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: ELS Riyadh
Send me a PM with all of your questions and I'll provide the information.
At least, we never heard from her/him again. I wonder why luvz_teaching hasn't PMed caballo.
Regards,
John |
c'mon John
either my retired and happy friend because he hadn't sen it or more annoyingly his PM isn't working.
Anyhow I would say people who visit here, join and then post instead of spending two years reading stroppy posts VS and others write in a year will always get flustered. You really need to get your friends on here to follow more of your example and
spread the love baby !! |
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Captain Willard
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: Re: salary |
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How common or uncommon is shared accommodation for English teachers in S.A.? I had one offer with shared accommodation with the suggestion that private accommodation might be available "in due course". I responded that when private accommodation was offered I would consider the offer, but not before.
I can't imagine sharing living quarters with a total stranger in a country were so many "vices" are illegal. I wouldn't want to worry about what illegal things the cohabitant might be doing, or for what that person might be inclined to report me. (And were I to be in S.A., I might be inclined to resume practicing a family art perfected during the "dry" times in the U.S. during the roaring 20's and early 30's...)
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The last time I checked the salary
was between 9.500 and 10.500 riyals a month.
Els provide shared furnished housing and transportation to and from work.
The only downside is that a split shift is required. [...] |
That's the ONLY downside? I'd say shared housing is a MASSIVE downside, far worse than a lousy salary and a schedule that shoots your whole day to hell.
Others have stated here many times that sharing accommodations in Saudi Arabia is tantamount to being locked up in a mental institution. Saudi is an oppressive, suffocating environment. There is little job satisfaction or social life to fall back on, and the solitude of one's abode is the closest to an oasis of inner sanctum as one is likely to find in the Kingdom.
Don't do it. No amount of money, and certainly not the peanuts this outfit is paying, makes it worth it. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Sharing is for the desperate. |
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