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[Mister Al]

Yep, some people ask for advice then proceed to tell those who may actually be in a postion to help them that they know better.

TD, you really need to take a good look at yourself.

[Voldermort]

[Tasmanian Devil]

Nonsense! Building a relationship with any Chinese person does not take time! It takes about as long as it takes to pass a red envelope under the table! As for your racist and offensive assertion that "Chinese people do not tolerate people, especially foreigners, with your level of arrogance", I couldn't care less! They'll simply have to get used to it, won't they? Besides, I don't plan on ever meeting any Chinese people. I'll be working at an international school (which local students are not allowed to attend by law), and I'll be living in an exclusively ex-pat residential development. I suppose I may have to come into some limited contact with the locals (taxis, etc.) but what they are like, and what you *say* they are like (and you have obviously been brainwashed), simply doesn't concern me. I did 8 years in Saudi without once *ever* speaking to a local, so I don't think China will be too hard.

[mike w]

Sir, your level of arrogance is simply outrageous.

Stay in Saudi - PLEASE.

Many expats here have taken time to become part of a local community, and to learn.

What are demonstrating here is quite simply the type of attitude that generates unwarranted ill-feeling towards foreigners.

You think you will not come into contact with Chinese? Think again.

You don't care what they think? You will.

You are going to live in a residential compound - on 25K a month? OK if you really want to share with Chinese. An exclusive expat compound in Beijing will cost you upwards of US$3000 a month - do the sums - it doesn't leave much.

You think China is the place for you? Think again. In a previous post I gave you 6 months, I should change that to 6 weeks.

[theincredibleegg]

[theincredibleegg]

[Tasmanian Devil]

[mike w]

[Anda]

Getting things done with a bit of cash under the table is not the way to go as of recent with the visa tightening even those foreigners that were employing hundreds of locals couldn't get their business visa renewed so couldn't get to their factories etc. These were people who had passed a bit of money here and there but had never gone the legal way.


I mix at a fairly high level here and I know that to get things done at a high level costs big bucks and still isn't safe.


People at high level will take off people at a lower level and make promises that are sometimes broken. I am talking Chinese to Chinese. For instance 50,000 RMB is the usual figure needed under the table to get a government school transfer to a new location. I am told that one can pay the money and still never get the transfer even with a good position and contacts where one works locally.


Sorry but passing a red envelope under the table but without friendship will generally not get your far. As Voldermort posted more is needed. If they get to know your view of them then you wouldn't last very long at all.

�Building a relationship with any Chinese person takes time. They are not going to help you simply because you flash a few notes under their nose. China is a community of people who know people and base all their favors, corner cutting and backhanders solely on the basis that you will one day return the favor. Right now they neither know you nor trust you, you have nothing to offer. Get it out of your head that a few 'pink Mao's' is going to have them eating out of your hand.�

[Tasmanian Devil]

[Tasmanian Devil]

[7969]

[Anda]

Just the shot for a teacher in Shanghai:
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Rent for a bit while you find that special place and get it fitted out:

http://www.shanghaicentre.com/front/php/apartments/shortterm.php

This should do you for somewhere to live in Shanghai.

TYPE AREA RENTAL RATE
Studio Apartment 47 m2 RMB 1170/night
1-Bedroom Suite 93 m2 RMB 1570/night
2-Bedroom Suite 133 m2 RMB 1970/night
3-Bedroom Suite 167 m2 RMB 2370/night


* Plus an additional 15% service charge
Prices are subject to change - please contact us for confirmation.
All payments are to be made in FULL upon arrival, by either cash or credit card (Master Card, Visa, AMEX, JCB and Diners Club). Please call our Leasing Department for reservations or further information at +8621-6279-8502 or send us an inquiry or reservation request with the form below.

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http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/MDForum-viewtopic-p-318566.phtml

Um, buying bare rooms in Shanghai.

178 sq meter at RMB 20,199 per square meter to RMB 25,000 per sqm

[nickpellatt]

TD - I thought everyone was giving you a bit of a hard time until I read this...

"I don't think I won't have any contact with any Chinese, I *know* I won't. I will simply refuse to acknowledge the existence of local Chinese, as is my right"

and

"I did 8 years in Saudi without once *ever* speaking to a local"


Best wishes in finding yout school and apartment, and yep, you are miles more qualified than I am. I do hope things work out for you. If everyone in international schools are the same as you come over online...Ill gladly avoid them. Each to their own I guess.

[Anda]

Food has gone up a lot in the last couple of years but is still far cheaper than the West on most stuff. For the wages here for an ordinary Chinese person it is not however cheap on the wages they make. Eating out is very cheap compared to the West.