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geaaronson · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Mexico City

The Common Market idea was first postulated back in the 50`s and was bandied about in the next decade and became a political football issue at that time.
We are seeing the Amero or whatever idea in a comparable stage of discussion circa 1961 in Europe.
Who in his right mind in Canada would ever consider tying his country`s finances to such dunderhead economies as Mexico and the USA? You would have to be a crazy Canuck spinning your wheels on an ice flow out of Labrador to even consider such an idea (or if you had a polar bear sitting on your ass and you were hopped up on ludes).
America`s little present debacle and Mexico`s bankruptcy in 82 and 94. No way would even a reasonable American want to tie his country`s finances to a volatile Mexican economy. It`s bad enough we`ve got such a wonderful (sarcasm intended) GOP party that has managed to bring us such financial ruin, to add to that by being dragged down by Mexico, no way, Jose.

thelmadatter · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: North American Union

I think it is possible but not in our lifetimes. For such a thing to be viable, too many changes, changes that would be unacceptable by the current generations of Canadians, American and Mexicans would have to occur. To happen overnight would be chaos.

However, I do agree that we are seeing the possible beginnings of such and there are parallels to mid-20th century Europe. However, such will require a lot of political and (goddess forbid) military struggle. We are already seeing it with NAFTA. For those who pine for a situation on this side of the pond similar to Europe, remember what generations of Europeans had to suffer to get there, and the Euro has only been in play for a bit over 15 years... yesterday by historical terms... no guarantee the whole experiement wont blow up in their faces and they get back to the business of killing each other. The impulses are still there if you look under the oh-so-civilized exterior they keep up for the rest of the world, esp. the U.S. (Ask a Hungarian what they think about a German, for example)

The impulse to unifiy large territories (and perhaps even the whole world) seems to be in the human psyche, the question is on WHOSE terms will that unification be?

However, without a serious common enemy the 3 major NA countries are free to squabble amongst themselves as much as they like.

I dont see an Amero in my lifetime, at least.

geaaronson · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Mexico City

Or ask any European what they think of the Germans. Even the Irish don`t like the Germans and they never were invaded.
For someone who would never go to see that "feminist" play, Vagina Monologues, how come with the goddess bit. Your ideology is slipping. Next you will be saying that Obama was not such a bad choice after all.
Otherwise I agree with you on all the other points.

thelmadatter · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: goddess

The "goddess bit" is because I am a Wiccan. I thought of the Hungarian/German thing because of a someone I knew who immigrated from Hungary to the US after the wall fell. Carries very strong anti-German feelings with examples of its justification way back before WWII, (BTW, Hungary was on the Axis side at first declaring war against the Russians when the Germans did... then tried to switch over to the Allies like Italy managed to do)

Ask the Scots what they think about the English
Ask the Irish what they think about the English
Ask the Poles what they think about the Germans and the Russians.
Ask the Portuguese what they think about Spain.
Ask any Balkan what they think about any other Balkan.

My point was that the Europeans have a much longer memory.. for them history goes back further than World War II. And everyone screwed everyone at some point in time.

But you are right about one thing... despite being Wiccan and a goddess-worshipper, I would never watch something like the Vagina Monologues... I prefer to work and make myself better than blame men for all my problems.

Milenka · Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 113 Location: Mexico City

thelmadatter · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: left

From Wikipedia's entry on the Vagina Monologues...

"Eve Ensler wrote the first draft of the monologues in 1996 (there have been several revisions since) following interviews she conducted with 200 women about their views on sex, relationships, and violence against women. The interviews began as casual conversations with her friends, who then brought up anecdotes they themselves had been told by other friends; this began a continuing chain of referrals. In an interview with women.com, Ensler said that her fascination with vaginas began because of "growing up in a violent society."[2]"Women's empowerment is deeply connected to their sexuality." She also stated, "I'm obsessed with women being violated and raped, and with incest. All of these things are deeply connected to our vaginas.""

Also read what happened to Robert Swope when he criticized the play.

Yup... very broadening to one's horizons... been hearing the same thing since the 60's

Milenka · Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 113 Location: Mexico City

thelmadatter · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: information

Is the informaton from Wikipedia wrong? If not, dont blame the messenger.

Wikipedia has its faults but I find that those who disparage it the most are those threatened by the idea that a website can share information perhaps better than academia.

Society is violent against everyone. If we women only focus on the fact that we have vaginas, then we truly are sex objects. She herself states that she is obsessed with violation rape and incest... and since the VM portrayed a lesbian statutory rape situation in a postitive light, I sincerely doubt the her obsessions have to do with what women do to women but rather what men do to women.