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How hard is it to find a job in Japan at the moment?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
This chonaikai (neighbourhood) fee, to the best of my knowledge, is for costs involved in the monthly chonaikai meetings and regular festivals/events.
I know in my area they have chonaikai sports days. At these events every area (chonaikai) plays sports/games against the rest of the chonaikai's. A lot of the money is used to run these kinds of events
The only time I was ever asked to pay was in a complex of apartment buildings, and the money was to help pay for tenants to clean the entryways and steps up the 4 flights. I never saw anyone doing the cleaning, nor was I ever asked to do it. No events on the grounds, either, and I had a perfect view of them. So, every case is different even in Neverneverland. At least I've never run into a Captain Hook...

JL,
I hope you or your wife raised holy hell with the PTA and school. A Japanese wife should certainly have been included on the warning call list! That was no excuse, and I'm with you about the comment you made in response to, "you'd know something was going on". Well, yes, of course you'd know there had been an earthquake, but how would you have known about the safety of your child? Blast them one for me!
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flyer



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Location: Sapporo Japan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in reference to my chonaikai info above

maybe I should say that I am rural Hokkaido, not city. Maybe the chonaikai thing has fallen down in cities? I know we never paid it when I was living in Sapporo (I was never asked to pay)
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JL



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

JL,
Blast them one for me!


Thanks.
Yes, at that little pow wow with the school's principal, I let the ladies know, in no uncertain terms, I was outraged. As I said yesterday, they weren't remorseful, and they acted as if I were the one being unreasonable. But the principal stepped up on my behalf, told them they were in the wrong, and directed them to include us in all future PTA notifications.

As for my next door neighbor, none of this was her fault. She's just the person I sought out to find out what the heck was going on. Her off the cuff remark, "Oh, if something was really happening, you'd know," was, of course, a quite dopey thing to say or think. But I believe she was just trying to say something to calm me down, because I was clearly angry. Again, she was not involved in the decision to exclude my family from the evac. drill.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
in reference to my chonaikai info above

maybe I should say that I am rural Hokkaido, not city. Maybe the chonaikai thing has fallen down in cities? I know we never paid it when I was living in Sapporo (I was never asked to pay)
So much for consistency, flyer. Sapporo is the only place I have been asked to pay! Just not in all apartments there.
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saloc



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too pay these neighbourhood fees - about 12,000 a year. The money goes towards neighbourhood cleaning expenses, community events, safety drills and, in our neighbourhood an annual community outing or dinner. However, if you choose not to go to that event you get the per capita price refunded. Our neighbourhood now has a surplus of several hundred thousand yen which has built up over the years, and all the money used is carefully accounted for. That surplus money is to be used in the case of a major emergency such as an earthquake.

As far as I know these fees are just a common part of the culture here. It's how things are done and there's not much point resenting it. What do you think about people who come to your country and object to conforming to local conventions? Absolutely, object to the lack of courtesy, but as others have pointed out, I think cafebleu has just had unfortunate experiences which are not the norm.

Incidentally, I too have to pay towards funerals for people I have barely known, and even had to help out at one such funeral. Well, I suppose I didn't have to but I'd be the only one who didn't. I might not like it much, but then I wouldn't like to be the only one not to be asked, either.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had to pay these fees, but I have always lived in fairly urban/inner suburban areas where I didn't know any of my neighbours anyway. I think they would have a hard time collecting in the area I live in now, so they probably don't bother.
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starteacher



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the original theme, it is not finding the job in recession that has changed, but the way jobs are being advertised and recruited.

Companies and owners tend to scurry for lots of resumes during this time of year (Jan to March) since April is the start of the school season. The schools will be happy to hold onto all the resumes and offer contracts left right and centre, but at any time can turn you down at the last moment, since a contract is not enforceable until the starting date. You take the risk.

The reason for this is precaution is because there are also a lot of unfaithful teachers who do not turn up and change their mind, unprofessional, unskilled, unexperienced, only in Japan for a buzz, and not taking full responsbility and no commitment, thus resulting in negative attitudes towards gaijin teachers in Japan. The Japanese are not racists (another thread perhaps), it is the gaijins who give a poor image as a large majority of visible gaijins in Japan are English teachers.

The English teaching system is very unstructured in Japan. there is no standard curriculum and everything is up for grabs. Each BOE does it own. ALTs can sometimes be lost robots (have a look at some of the youtube videos and you'll see why), the Japanese teachers at schools just have to put up with ALT teachers because of the intercultural relationships between countries being enforced upon them, they know ALTs only have "perfect" English accents on offer (the number of times Japanese people would mention "are Aussies really speaking English ? How are you toDIE " and will leave the schools leaving the Japanese teachers to pick up the mess each year.

So recruitment is under more scrutiny than before, and that is thanks to those gaijins who have left Japan now that caused problems and bad experiences for enduring owners and students and parents and company business folks who have had to put up with you all in the past 20 years. You know who you are.

But there is one consolation. If you are well prepared and professional, you will always have the right karma and things will work out for you. Those who give bad karma will have it coming for them later. What comes round.
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carl0s



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

starteacher wrote:


The reason for this is precaution is because there are also a lot of unfaithful teachers who do not turn up and change their mind, unprofessional, unskilled, unexperienced, only in Japan for a buzz, and not taking full responsbility and no commitment, thus resulting in negative attitudes towards gaijin teachers in Japan. The Japanese are not racists (another thread perhaps), it is the gaijins who give a poor image as a large majority of visible gaijins in Japan are English teachers.



So you're saying that it's acceptable for some Japanese people to discriminate against ALL foreigners in Japan because they've seen A FEW bad apples. How is that not racist?

starteacher wrote:

The English teaching system is very unstructured in Japan. there is no standard curriculum and everything is up for grabs. Each BOE does it own. ALTs can sometimes be lost robots (have a look at some of the youtube videos and you'll see why), the Japanese teachers at schools just have to put up with ALT teachers because of the intercultural relationships between countries being enforced upon them, they know ALTs only have "perfect" English accents on offer (the number of times Japanese people would mention "are Aussies really speaking English ? How are you toDIE " and will leave the schools leaving the Japanese teachers to pick up the mess each year.


I have never heard an Australian say 'toDIE'. Ever. What I have heard is that most of my JTE's cannot pronounce l and r correctly. Really becomes leally or leary. I think there is a strong case for the ALT in the school. IMO the JTE's shouldn't speak English at all and just teach grammar.

starteacher wrote:

So recruitment is under more scrutiny than before, and that is thanks to those gaijins who have left Japan now that caused problems and bad experiences for enduring owners and students and parents and company business folks who have had to put up with you all in the past 20 years. You know who you are.

But there is one consolation. If you are well prepared and professional, you will always have the right karma and things will work out for you. Those who give bad karma will have it coming for them later. What comes round.


But 'gaijins have a poor image'. Don't think karma helps when people have already made their mind up about you just by looking at you.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Australians do not actually say "todie", it's more subtle than that, but that is often how the vowel is heard by non-Australians. I have heard Australian teachers having students repeat words with the sound "ay" in them somewhere and the students picking up on that slight inflection and coming out with the "ie" sound even though it wasn't that strong in the Aussie teacher's accent. It does happen.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aspara posted
Code:
Australians do not actually say "todie", it's more subtle than that, but that is often how the vowel is heard by non-Australians. I have heard Australian teachers having students repeat words with the sound "ay" in them somewhere and the students picking up on that slight inflection and coming out with the "ie" sound even though it wasn't that strong in the Aussie teacher's accent. It does happen.


First thought, here we go again Cool . I think it might depend on;

-the part of OZ the person is from (different regional accents)
-whether the person is from an actual city or way out in the boons
-other factors such as age, etc..

I have heard some Aussies pronounce it that way, not many, but surely more than none.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's geting harder, but we'll have to see if the job ads pick up in the spring. Right now there is a literal dearth of them.
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starteacher



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you're saying that it's acceptable for some Japanese people to discriminate against ALL foreigners in Japan because they've seen A FEW bad apples. How is that not racist?


FEW. ALL ? I think words are twisted out of context here.

It only takes one rotten bird with birdflu and the rest of the 200,000 are culled. Who cares what the birds look like. It is simply precaution. Folks need to remember that you when in a foreign country and invited into a country which is unique to your own, then it is the foreigner that needs to adapt, not the other way. Some folks think Japan should be like the rest of the world, so what does that mean. It means the world that little gaijin has came out from. One bad teacher spoils the broth.
As I said previously, any talk of racism in Japan can be done in another thread, it's much too controversial. I'll end it here.

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have never heard an Australian say 'toDIE'.
Best ask the Japanese what they think. I have many a time. Usually it is only a subtle joke for Japanese. And whilst they are happy to put up with the errors gaijins have with the Japanese language, the moment a Japanese doesn't speak English well, it is pounced on by gaijins. English teachers are really sensitive creatures when it comes to usage of the English language, a bit like accountants having to rework the entire book when a missing cent unbalances the charts Laughing

(Well, actually I do not know if Japanese folks always talk about the gaijins' Japanese behind their backs)
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GIR



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

starteacher wrote:
And whilst they are happy to put up with the errors gaijins have with the Japanese language, the moment a Japanese doesn't speak English well, it is pounced on by gaijins. English teachers are really sensitive creatures when it comes to usage of the English language, a bit like accountants having to rework the entire book when a missing cent unbalances the charts Laughing

Personally, I would appreciate some correction on my Japanese when I'm wrong. How else am I going to know that I'm making a mistake, and what the proper way is?

As for being sensitive about using the English language, I'd say that's what I'm being paid for. I'm not going to spend the entirety of a class hammering pronunciation into a student, but I'd been doing them a disservice if I didn't try to correct them. They're paying teachers to TEACH them, not to smile and nod while feeding them empty praise. (Ok, to be fair, there actually are some students who are paying for that...)
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

starteacher wrote:
a contract is not enforceable until the starting date


Eh? A contract is enforceable once it's signed. (So those of you still waiting for a contract, keep on calling those who've promised you work and politely but firmly insisting on signing that contract!).

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And whilst they are happy to put up with the errors gaijins have with the Japanese language, the moment a Japanese doesn't speak English well, it is pounced on by gaijins. English teachers are really sensitive creatures when it comes to usage of the English language, a bit like accountants having to rework the entire book when a missing cent unbalances the charts Laughing


If we're going to "speak like Japanese", let's at least knock the plural off (that is, if you're going to say 'gaijins' rather than 'gaijin', you might as well say 'foreigners' instead).

I wouldn't say the problem is of foreigners pouncing on JTE mistakes - far from it! Rather, some JTEs (the more neurotic ones) seem convinced that even when they are perfectly comprehensible and correct, they are somehow wrong, and that when you (the foreigner) are perfectly correct, you too are somehow wrong also. They are chasing an almost (to them, so unempirical are they) invisible delicate fleeting butterfly that they want to grab, slap down, pin writhing to a board, finish off and encase in aseptic amber. The concept of language as communication, malleable in and by context and with a myriad ways and means of expressing the same thing, escapes some of them entirely, but then, that's what happens when you want "easy to mark" testable items all the time. (I wouldn't mind the unbending non-deviation so much, if the standard that was being imposed were actually some sort of standard, but usually it so hopelessly dated or prescritively formal that it isn't even Standard English). Anyway, I just wish that this sort of JTE would check some facts and thus tendencies in the language for themselves (which is easy enough to do nowadays) than feeling so aggrieved at having to "bend the knee" to the fiendish foreigner "all the time", because the quality of some of the stuff that gets peddled can be pretty bad (that is, strange, pretty unusable stuff that doesn't convey much about how the language actually works).
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait......what was the title of this thread...hmmmm.....i'm amazed yet again by the useless arguing back and forth here here.

HOW HARD IS IT TO GET A JOB AT THE MOMENT....ahhhh yes, that was what the posters Q was.

I was out of Tokyo for 3 months teaching in Seoul (horrible city in my opinion) and came back 3 weeks ago to begin looking for work. I had 3 interviews and now have a job....it took a week. I have about 3 years experience with kids and adults; 10 months in Japan
I really feel that, after my interview experiences this time around, getting a job simply depends on luck and timing......such is life in my opinion!
I browsed all job sites daily and applied to anything that looked ok to me.
Also, while experience does count here, personality and being well presented work wonders.
I was really lucky that the owner of my school is a Japanese woman who lived in New York for 17 years. I couldn't believe it when she said, 'i like you, you're a strong woman'! ha ha ha.....i mean my husband appreciates that, but many others here don't....including foreign males whom i've had interviews with.
Also, many of the jobs seem to be part-time and the majority listed were not in Tokyo.
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