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007



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jgmodlin wrote:
Wouldn't a degree from the University of Maryland or the University of Wisconsin just be seen as a degree?

Well, it will depend on the reputation of the university, and if it is accredited or not.
I think the majority of employers will not recognize the online degree if it was obtained from non accredited and reputable university. Also, it will depend hugely on the field of study; an online degree in ESL/EFL is not like an online degree in nursing!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear 007,

I'm afraid this is a little confusing:

"I think the majority of employers will not recognize the online degree if it was obtained from non accredited and reputable university."

"Non-accredited" and "reputable" have just about opposite meaning, so I'm guessing from the context that you might have meant to write "disreputable."
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John
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also still curious how it is that an employer is able to discern the difference between a degree that says "Master's of Linguistic Arts, University of Maryland" and one that says "Master's of Linguistic Arts, Maryland"? One having been gained online and the other through classes taken on campus.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was also in Japan, 1988-92, before migrating to the Gulf Middle East once the money ran out in Japan. Right now the university salaries in Japan are lower than they were in '92.

If you want to survive the Middle East, get used to lots of ambiguity. Having said that, here is a thing I posted the other day about my Asian wife living in Saudi

Absolutely agree. My wife, a Malaysian Chinese, couldn't stand it anymore in Saudi after two and a half years--bearing in mind that we had several long vacations in the interim. She is somebody who likes to participate in life, not watch it go by from some compound or, worse yet, a street-level apartment. Although she had never been to the U.S. at that time, she left Saudi a year earlier than I did in order to set up house in the States and find a job and take care of the kid! And she was only 25 then. I have to give her tons of credit for that kind of courage, and for joining me from the relative luxury of Kuala Lumpur in the first place. I feel very guilty nowadays for having put her through that Saudi experience. If you love your wife, I would say, don't do this to her...unless as the previous poster wisely noted, she needs to polish off a dissertation or something. Of course, if she has a professional job there such as teaching college, it's a different matter. My wife is a businesswoman, so, naturally, a Chinese businesswoman is considered useless in the Magic Kingdom. That alone tells you what kind of country it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jgmodlin wrote:
I am also still curious how it is that an employer is able to discern the difference between a degree that says "Master's of Linguistic Arts, University of Maryland" and one that says "Master's of Linguistic Arts, Maryland"? One having been gained online and the other through classes taken on campus.

Well they could easily look at the dates... and if the dates of attendance for the MA done for a US university are the same dates you list an employer in a foreign country, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it must have been a distance degree.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My wife is a businesswoman, so, naturally, a Chinese businesswoman is considered useless in the Magic Kingdom. That alone tells you what kind of country it is.
Not to me. How does being a person with no discernible skills apart from networking with people with no presence in the country be a valuable skill?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My wife is a businesswoman, so, naturally, a Chinese businesswoman is considered useless in the Magic Kingdom


Did your wife apply for jobs which her skills as a 'businesswoman' would have qualified her for? If so, was she turned down simply because of her nationality?

While I don't doubt that there is severe racism in the Kingdom, I would also say that being female and not being qualified for one of the few professions which routinely employ women (education, medicine) does make you pretty much unemployable here, whatever your nationality.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all have skills. They come with being human. Whether ior not we can sell these skills depends on where we are.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleo is correct, which is why my wife did not bother applying for a work visa in Saudi. I used the term "businesswoman" in the broad and possibly misleading sense that she is (and was) in middle management in the private sector. Why would Jones make the sweeping assumption that she had no skills other than networking? She manages oil tanker logistics and operations from shore. Well, that's now. In our Saudi days she was only 23-25 and had been in international freight forwarding.

I included the tag "Chinese" not to mean much other than Chinese outside mainland China have always been fairly well known as hard-working, high achievers in the private sector, whether as engineers, doctors, entrepreneurs or whatever.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So she wasn't a businesswoman but a business executive or a manager.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct. I used the wrong term, essentially.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
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The wife will not be able to go out by herself. She will have to be in your company or in the company of a group of women


I don't know how things are in the EP, where Mia lives, but this advice does not apply in Riyadh. It is perfectly safe for women of all ethnicities to go out alone in Riyadh. I have been doing so for several years, without incident. Yes, you can get hassled by young men in cars, but this is annoying rather than dangerous. Nor would being in a group of women prevent this - in fact, it might even attract more attention, though at least you would have moral support!

I would also respectfully disagree with her assertion that there is a 'great deal' of petty crime in KSA. Obviously, we all rely on anecdotal evidence to assess this sort of thing, but in my 7 years of living here I can recall few, if any, incidents of petty crime. Nor have I heard more than a handful of such stories. I am not saying that it doesn't happen, but no need to be alarmist.

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My wife is pretty fair and I would guess the average Saudi would just assume she were Japanese or possibly Korean or Chinese. Would she be treated differently than western expats?


As Mia said, unfortunately many Saudis would assume she was a Philipino housemaid.

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So, I am hoping that Saudi Arabia would offer a more stable work environment with a less tiring schedule than the subways and trains of Tokyo from before dawn to well after dark.


One good thing about KSA is that workloads are rarely overly taxing, certainly not when compared to Japan. If you get a job in one of the better third level institutions (for which you'd probably - though not always - need that MA) you can expect to finish in the early afternoon - some places only require teachers to be on campus for their teaching and office hours.

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Obviously there is the specter of terrorism lurking in the minds of many living outside the kingdom. Is that silly and akin to worrying about flying because the plane could crash?


"The specter of terrorism" is not something to which I or any of my friends gives the remotest thought. It has been a few years since the spate of attacks against foreigners in the Kingdom, and life has been pretty uneventful in that regard since then. OF course, nobody knows if and when such attacks might start up again, but for the moment, I would not say that terrorism is a major concern here.


Your opinion on petty crime is hilarious.

Just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exisist. Petty crime is off the scale here if you know where to look for it.... Out side a western ex-pats meeting, saying that with all the hash and alcohol on the ex-pat scene they are just as bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheikh N Bake wrote:
Correct. I used the wrong term, essentially.

Well, it seems your IQ still negative!
I told you last time to ask the economists and experts for business terms/knowledge.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your opinion on petty crime is hilarious.

Just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exisist.


I continue to be amazed by the poor reading skills on display by some of the 'English teachers' on this board -though perhaps I shouldn't be. You somehow managed to miss the bit where I wrote:

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Obviously, we all rely on anecdotal evidence to assess this sort of thing, but in my 7 years of living here I can recall few, if any, incidents of petty crime. Nor have I heard more than a handful of such stories. I am not saying that it doesn't happen, but no need to be alarmist.


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Petty crime is off the scale here if you know where to look for it.


I know we have many nutcases working here in the K of SA, but why anyone would actually want to go looking for petty crime really is beyond me.


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Out side a western ex-pats meeting, saying that with all the hash and alcohol on the ex-pat scene they are just as bad.


If anyone could provide an English translation, I would be grateful.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He means that he is stoned and rat-arsed and does not know what he is writing.
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