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mike w
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| is so if it is a possibility I could be sure to sort out the visa before going. |
The only way you can try and find out accurate (?) information about the requirement is to contact the Chinese Embassy where you will make your visa application. Even then, it is not possible to 100% guarantee that the information given to you will be totally accurate.
Such are the foibles of China and visas. |
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aleafofthetree
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| is so if it is a possibility I could be sure to sort out the visa before going. |
The only way you can try and find out accurate (?) information about the requirement is to contact the Chinese Embassy where you will make your visa application. Even then, it is not possible to 100% guarantee that the information given to you will be totally accurate.
Such are the foibles of China and visas. |
Will do, thank you very much for your responses! |
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rmcdougall
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This whole business about criminal background checks is undemocratic and preposterous!!
What about people who have served their debt to society long ago and made new starts? How dare they not understand this.
If this is true, is it coming to Shanghai? And, if one gets a tourist visa can one avoid the police check? I mean, how can one get a Z visa without doing a check? There must be a way, right? |
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Mikeylikesit114
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| I have confirmation from my school's hr/fao that the background check is now required for new Z-visas in Shenzhen. They are checking to see whether it is needed in order to renew residence permits. |
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mike w
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| I have confirmation from my school's hr/fao |
Obviously I don't know how good/reliable/or otherwise your school's fao is, but I do know that many are beyond the term 'useless'. They hear about something on their 'grapevine', and hey presto! it's suddenly a new rule or regulation.
I would be tending to want some confirmation of these from somewhere else other than the fao - like directly from the authority that issues the RP. |
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danielb
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Hunanforeignguy/Northchinalowei/Whateverhisnewnameis dribbled:
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| And the publisher of the China Review was just arrested by the United States Government for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. |
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rmcdougall
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| I heard there was a clause that if the foreign expert is over 60 he can avoid the harassment charges and stuff to continue to get the visa. Right?? |
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xiao51
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: Re: China Briefing: criminal background checks to be require |
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I came across this posting on this site:
CHINA BRIEFING January 2009 issue:
'The Criminal record certificate:
Over the past few months, additional requirements for obtaining an employment permit in China have begun to be put in place. These include a certification of "no criminal record," to be issued by immigration agencies of foreign governments, on which an official statement must be obtained certifying that the applicant has no prior criminal convictions in his home country. Details to the extent of this documentation, applicable levels of criminal offence, or how it applies to long term reisdents of other countries, yet to be worked out.
The application process varies from country to country, please, check with your embassy for advice.'
And wanted to know if anyone could confirm if the information was valid and if so any details about the change. I am specifically interested in going to teach in China this fall and seeing now if it would be a possibility. |
China Briefing is published by Dezshira and Associates which presents itself as a "boutique firm" involved in investment in China for foreigners as well as various other countries. See their website if you have any questions...http://www.dezshira.com/
It is hardly an officla journal of the People's Republic of China. |
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danielb
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It's Dezan Shira and Associates.
HFG, are you still sticking with your story about the arrest? |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| And the publisher of the China Review was just arrested by the United States Government for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. |
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| China Briefing is published by Dezshira and Associates which presents itself as a "boutique firm" involved in investment in China for foreigners as well as various other countries. |
xiao51, So you do relize that China Briefing is not the same mag as China Review....
Chris has never had anything to do with China Review...and no it is not a gov site, but the mag or the website never claimed to be anything but a law firm... |
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Mikeylikesit114
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| My school's hr/fao has checked with the psb, and says that the background check is needed for first-time z-visa's only. Residence permit renewal does not require a background check. |
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ymmv
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| danielb wrote: |
Hunanforeignguy/Northchinalowei/Whateverhisnewnameis dribbled:
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| And the publisher of the China Review was just arrested by the United States Government for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. |
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Good call danielb. I had the same thought. If it walks like a canard and quacks like a canard, it's a canard, so-to-speak. |
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eddy-cool
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: Re: China Briefing: criminal background checks to be require |
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| xiao51 wrote: |
China Briefing is published by Dezshira and Associates which presents itself as a "boutique firm" involved in investment in China for foreigners as well as various other countries. See their website if you have any questions...http://www.dezshira.com/
It is hardly an officla journal of the People's Republic of China. |
We most definitely do NOT need your clarification on CHINA BRIEFING; what you seem to know is known to all of us.
But for laowais a publication such as CHINA BRIEFING is still by far the most exhaustive source of relevant news and information.
This is especially true in this case. Go and ask a PSB person and tell us whether that PSB source can reliably inform you on the latest nation-wide regulations!
Most PSB's apply national law arbitrarily. CHINA BRIEFING has direct access to the laws while it also relies on feedback from grassroots who live with these new laws.
For a change you were right in saying that Mr Chris Cheshire-Ellis landed himself in hot water; what's the relevancy of this news to police investigating your background? |
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Teatime of Soul
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| This whole business about criminal background checks is undemocratic and preposterous!! |
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Plan B
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| rmcdougall wrote: |
This whole business about criminal background checks is undemocratic and preposterous!!
What about people who have served their debt to society long ago and made new starts? How dare they not understand this.
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Actually, the process for getting a Chinese visa is a lot more lenient than getting a visa for the U.S., where a criminal check is also mandatory for an H1-B working visa.
On top of this, to work for many major corporations in the U.S., and certainly the banks, they test your urine for drugs and also run a credit check on you. Now that's what I would call invasive - being denied work for past drug or credit problems!
The annoying thing about Chinese regulations is not so much the red-tape, it's just that they change all the time, so that long-term residents never really get to feel comfortable with their situation. |
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