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Honky Nick
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HK and Japan are both options. As are many other countries, I'd imagine.
HK: NET Scheme or International School
Japan: what Glenski said, and possibly international schools, although I don't know the market there. |
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Sonnibarger
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Location: Wuhan
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| rmcdougall wrote: |
YES!
There are Western university programs looking for teachers paying up to 2000 RMB/month which is 4x the local teaching salary.
You can be elite teaching English. PM me. |
this is way way off...
1. local teachers make upwards of 1500rmb
2. laowei make over 4500 with apt, I make 6200 on 10hours a week... |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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How the heck would we know if it's easier or harder than the US?
Most of us don't live there.
Best,
Justin |
Yeah, I have not even tried to get a job in the United States since graduating. The only jobs I ever attempted getting were restaurant jobs and other student jobs. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you could have a job in China in two seconds. You don't need a CELTA to do that. |
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JZer
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I know that pretty much everywhere in the world is having a tough economic time. I'm in the U.S. with a spotless record and successful career, but I've been looking for work for 7 months with no success. |
Go back to teaching in the US if you really need a job. I believe there are openings in American schools every day. On Dave's ESL Cafe many metropolitan areas are recruiting teachers because they do not have enough. |
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mlomker
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I am considering taking a CELTA Class. |
Hey dk! I'm in St Paul, so we are practically neighbors.
Have you taken a look at the TEFL program at Hamline? You can do a TEFL there and it applies toward a masters degree. You can complete the vast majority (if not all) of the MA in ESL by distance ed. I looked into their MAT program--my degrees are in business, so the hurdles I'd have to go through for certification are probably too steep to pursue.
I'm still debating between Hamline and SIT for the TEFL. The SIT TEFL is offered in Chicago and Justin Trullinger teaches it in Quito, so you could chat with him about it. |
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SandyG20
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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JZer and others - teaching jobs in the USA are difficult to find.
I am a licensed teacher in El Ed - there are about 1000 applicants for each position.
If you teach the high level maths or science - the rate is about 500 to 1 job.
The economy means fewer jobs and larger classrooms.
Have a Bachelor and teaching license is doesn't help you in this job market.
You can sub for 50 bucks a day - and there aren't many calls for that either.
And by the way McDonalds isn't hiring either. |
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SandyG20
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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JZer - I bet you are referring to those Fellowship programs.
Those are not jobs - they are for people to get alternate certification to be teachers - you have to PAY to go to school and do student teaching for those school systems.
People who are already licensed teachers CANNOT be in those programs.
Those of us who are already looking for teaching jobs in the USA are furious about those programs. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| SandyG20 wrote: |
JZer and others - teaching jobs in the USA are difficult to find.
I am a licensed teacher in El Ed - there are about 1000 applicants for each position.
If you teach the high level maths or science - the rate is about 500 to 1 job.
The economy means fewer jobs and larger classrooms.
Have a Bachelor and teaching license is doesn't help you in this job market. |
In some states, though, if you want to teach ESL in the government indoctrination centers (public schools), you not only need that K-12 (or equivalent) teaching license, you also need additional ESL certification. For example, here's what you need in New York State (which requires all teachers to eventually get their master's) just to get your initial teaching certificate: http://eservices.nysed.gov/teach/certhelp/CertRequirementHelp.do . |
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JZer
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| People who are already licensed teachers CANNOT be in those programs. |
Some programs accept already licensed teachers.
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JZer
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| Those are not jobs - they are for people to get alternate certification to be teachers - you have to PAY to go to school and do student teaching for those school systems. |
But you get paid a salary and I doubt they are going to fire you once you get your certification.
If there were enough certified teachers why would they even offer those programs?
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I am a licensed teacher in El Ed - there are about 1000 applicants for each position. |
What state are you in? I would agree that in more desirable areas there are plenty of teachers. It just depends how bad you want a job and how bad you want to teach. |
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SandyG20
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Those fellowship programs are funded by the US government.
In my state a person cannot be paid while doing student teaching - instead the student teacher pays.
The same one that keeps giving stimulus funds to companies that then use it to buy private airplanes for executives or to give bonuses to their CEOs.
I know many people who are looking for teaching jobs - there are not tons of jobs. In addition - many teachers are being laid off.
Don't believe what colleges tell you about a teacher shortage - it doesn't exist. |
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JZer
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johnson430
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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Location: Texas, USA
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To those of you posting that teaching jobs in the US are hard to come by might want to consider relocating to states where there are many teaching positions available.
Many states in the south are in desperate need of teachers.
FYI, when I was looking for a teaching job in Texas last summer I noticed that Houston ISD had 450 teaching jobs that needed to be filled.
To this day there are still 100+ teaching/lecturer jobs that are still not filled.
Here is a link to Houston ISD's certified jobs:
https://prodnet.houstonisd.org/jobs/hisdjobs/Jobs/JobList.aspx?tabid=3
Starting salary is about $45,000US for a teacher in Houston: not too shabby.
There are literally hundreds of other school districts across Texas looking for teachers; you might have to do some research but the jobs are here.
Also, a teaching cert. from another state is acceptable in Texas but you will have to take a Texas certification test and the PPR test in your first year of teaching here.
Hope this clears the air about teaching opportunities in the US: They exist, but you might have to move.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| SandyG20 wrote: |
JZer - I bet you are referring to those Fellowship programs.
Those are not jobs - they are for people to get alternate certification to be teachers - you have to PAY to go to school and do student teaching for those school systems.
People who are already licensed teachers CANNOT be in those programs.
Those of us who are already looking for teaching jobs in the USA are furious about those programs. |
Alternative certification in order to get teachers to teach in the more undesirable school districts. Many of these programs, like Teach New Mexico, do actually pay these people to work in the schools. For more information: http://www.teachnm.org/alternative_licensure.html
And then there's Teach For America: http://www.teachforamerica.org/corps/financial_arrangements.htm
But even people who don't participate in these alternative programs - people who go the regular certification route - have to pay for their own college education; so, your statement that people in these alternative programs have to pay for college is pretty much meaningless.
If I weren't set on pursuing TEFL and going overseas, I'd seriously consider one of these alternative certification programs and go teach in Appalachia (where my ancestors are from). |
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