|
Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
eik
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 45
|
 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: |
 |
|
But from which country are you, if I may ask ?  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
cicak
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 17
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cyprus |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
eik
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 45
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Thanks ! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cicak
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 17
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
actually i was wondering myself what would be the possibility/chanaces for someone like me (non-native) to get a teaching job in one of those top paying schools in Indonesia?
I have Bsc in Economics, MBA, CELTA and over 10 years teaching experince (teaching business/managent subjects at at university level + teaching english) + 3 years experince in school management. I can speak Indonesian.
Since I am not native maybe it would be difficult to get an english teaching job but how about teaching buisness/management/economics subjcets? Would I be eligible or would they still look for natives? I am talking about BIS, JIS, AIS and other international ones..
Thanks. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sherlock
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 72
|
| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
actually i was wondering myself what would be the possibility/chanaces for someone like me (non-native) to get a teaching job in one of those top paying schools in Indonesia?
I have Bsc in Economics, MBA, CELTA and over 10 years teaching experince (teaching business/managent subjects at at university level + teaching english) + 3 years experince in school management. I can speak Indonesian.
Since I am not native maybe it would be difficult to get an english teaching job but how about teaching buisness/management/economics subjcets? Would I be eligible or would they still look for natives? I am talking about BIS, JIS, AIS and other international ones..
Thanks. |
You probably wouldn't be considered for a position at one of these schools because you don't have a education/teaching degree or relevant diploma. This is a must for any respectable Intl school. In other words, you have to be a qualified teacher in your own country. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vertumnus
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 142
Location: Indonesia
|
| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
actually i was wondering myself what would be the possibility/chanaces for someone like me (non-native) to get a teaching job in one of those top paying schools in Indonesia?
I have Bsc in Economics, MBA, CELTA and over 10 years teaching experince (teaching business/managent subjects at at university level + teaching english) + 3 years experince in school management. I can speak Indonesian.
Since I am not native maybe it would be difficult to get an english teaching job but how about teaching buisness/management/economics subjcets? Would I be eligible or would they still look for natives? I am talking about BIS, JIS, AIS and other international ones..
Thanks. |
I'll have to agree to disagree with Sherlock, to an extent.
Indonesian institutes show a lot more latitude when it comes to what degree you have. You can, undoubtedly, find work here with your qualifications and education, and you can probably make pretty good money at it, too. I know several people who came into this country without a degree in education and are now pulling down large figures as teachers, DOS, VPs and principals. Granted, most of them don't work at the best places, and their moral compasses are a bit off (which is good when you accept high pay in return for turning a blind eye to morality), but if you haven't got strong morals and you want lots of cash, there's a definite place for you.
If you're someone like me (relatively moral), you can still get a job here, but you'll need to keep your head down and not make waves because Indonesians aren't terribly tolerant of that (except in certain areas). Don't expect your well-intended advice to be paid anything more than a smile and thank you - even if it might save the school or make it lots of money.
I don't pull down big bucks, but it's not hard for me to get work and I usually have more than one offer at a time. Then again, I'm not living in Jakarta (nor will I ever again), so I sacrifice money for other things - like healthy and sanity.
You can easily get into many schools teaching English, Economics, and/or Business Management, although the latter two won't fly in primary!  
You may have difficulties getting into the best schools/businesses, but I wouldn't let it bother you. Try anyways. If you want doors to open, then stay in one city/province, and work hard to make your reputation with parents, students and (if possible) companies good. Given time, jobs will become available...
-D |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cicak
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 17
|
| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
thanx for the replies...
well, i do have a job now and i am quite satisfied with it. I have been working for the same people for about 5 yrs now. I was just wondering whether it would be possible for me, after all these experiences, to get a better paid job in one of the int'l schools here in indonesia. I read somewhere here at eslcafe that some int'l schools can pay up to 30-40 juta a month. So i was thinking 'hmmm can i?'
can i? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vertumnus
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 142
Location: Indonesia
|
| Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
thanx for the replies...
well, i do have a job now and i am quite satisfied with it. I have been working for the same people for about 5 yrs now. I was just wondering whether it would be possible for me, after all these experiences, to get a better paid job in one of the int'l schools here in indonesia. I read somewhere here at eslcafe that some int'l schools can pay up to 30-40 juta a month. So i was thinking 'hmmm can i?'
can i? |
It can't hurt to try. With your credentials and experience, I'd say someone will at least interview you, if not hire you. Give it a shot if you're ready to work hard.
-D |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sherlock
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 72
|
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
thanx for the replies...
well, i do have a job now and i am quite satisfied with it. I have been working for the same people for about 5 yrs now. I was just wondering whether it would be possible for me, after all these experiences, to get a better paid job in one of the int'l schools here in indonesia. I read somewhere here at eslcafe that some int'l schools can pay up to 30-40 juta a month. So i was thinking 'hmmm can i?'
can i? |
Yes some Intl school pay that much, I work at one and know of others that get around the pay bracket, however JIS is the best paid school. The schools you mentioned are all members of Intl School recruiting agencies such as Search Associates, ISS, CIS (do a search). To join these agencies you need a BEd or DipEd, hence my earlier comments.
| Vertumnus wrote: |
It can't hurt to try. With your credentials and experience, I'd say someone will at least interview you, if not hire you. Give it a shot if you're ready to work hard.
-D |
Yeah give it a shot, some of the smaller international schools may take you on, but see my post earlier about the bigger ones...It just won't happen. Also, many other factors are involved. What curriculum experience do you have??? IB, IGCSE or Australian? If you have none of those, many intl schools will be reluctant to take you on |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cicak
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 17
|
| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ok, thankx for the replies.. I guess I will try to see how far I can go  ..
and my last question : Do you know when the best time is to apply for a job at these schools? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sherlock
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 72
|
| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
| Do you know when the best time is to apply for a job at these schools? |
Most intl schools hire in Jan and Feb for the upcoming school year, starting in July. This is when most of the job fairs are and when most of the jobs are available. There may still be some jobs around but I think you may have missed the boat for the next school year.
Another good option is to keep your eye out for short term positions (e.g maternity leave cover). This is one way to get your foot in the door and if you do well, the school may keep you on for the next academic year if they have a position for you |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cicak
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 17
|
| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Thank you sherlock. My curent contract is until the beginning of year 2010, so I guess I will try for 2010 school year then. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vertumnus
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 142
Location: Indonesia
|
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cicak wrote: |
| and my last question : Do you know when the best time is to apply for a job at these schools? |
The main hiring times are based on when semesters start. Keep in mind that universities all seem to have their own schedules, so I can't say for that, but for national plus and international schools, the first semester generally starts in either January or July, with the 2nd 6 months later.
It's advisable to start looking for work up to 4 months ahead of the start of a semester. There are job fairs held in some cities. I don't know if Dave's offers announcements about them, but I know that sometimes other job placement websites will.
Some schools only recruit overseas at job fairs, universities and such, but some also look in Indonesia. Your best bet is to routinely check for openings...You never know when someone has run away from a school, after all!
-D |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
seaskyclay
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Vietnam
|
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
| What I don't understand is why Republic of Ireland is not in that list of native speaking countries. I wonder if this is an oversight on the school or government's part. It doesn't make any sense to grant visas to all of the other native English-speaking people but not to the Irish. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vertumnus
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 142
Location: Indonesia
|
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| seaskyclay wrote: |
| What I don't understand is why Republic of Ireland is not in that list of native speaking countries. I wonder if this is an oversight on the school or government's part. It doesn't make any sense to grant visas to all of the other native English-speaking people but not to the Irish. |
Ah, now we get into a grey area. Should the South Africans who speak (British) English fluently be counted as native-speakers? Should the Canadians whose first language is actually French be excluded? Should Singaporeans, many of whom are not that good at English, be included?
I think, in the Republic of Ireland's case, there is a definite need for it to be included...Who will rally and convince Indonesia of that?
-D |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
