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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
A long time ago I, too, was 50.
Ah how sweet to be a carefree youth ! |
Alhamdu LiLAh, Uncle Scott has beaten the record, and he is in a carefreeness state in the Magic Kingdom.  |
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eclectic
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1122
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| carefreeness is like airbrainness, a little, I once read in a veteran publication on James Bond wannabe's. Now wouldnt the apostrophe be necessary in that case, tho the plural was intended, for clarity's sake? "Wannabes" just looks too much like an actual word these days. |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I turned 0, 10, 20, and 30 in the Magik Kingdom.
I do NOT want to turn 40 here, or 50 for that matter. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| trapezius wrote: |
I turned 0, 10, 20, and 30 in the Magik Kingdom.
I do NOT want to turn 40 here, or 50 for that matter. |
Now if that doesn't explain your avatar... nothing will.
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well, anybody who was born in the Magic Kingdom, and spent more than 10 years continuously in the country, has got the 'right', with certain conditions, to apply for the Magic Kingdom's citizenship!
So, trap, have you thought about it? |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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007 take a good hard look at Trap's avatar!
Now you tell me...does this look like the sort that would be tempted to apply for citizenship in KSA! (even if it was possible)  |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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That citizenship law is a sham. You need to get 21 points to qualify, and the only way one could get those 21 points (assuming you meet the required conditions first, i.e., continuous 10-year residence and fluency in Arabic; birth in Saudi is not a condition) is either if one has a Ph.D. (and that as well in either science, medicine, or engineering) and/or close Saudi relatives. I can only get 18 points with a Master's degree. A Ph.D. would give me the additional 3 points.
Obviously, the law was made that way, so as to let only very highly qualified people qualify for the citizenship, people that the country couldn't do without. But then again, almost all such professionals would rather have any Western citizenship (or already have it, or are in the process of getting it).
If I could qualify, would I apply? Probably yes, but only for the sake of convenience, i.e., to be free from the BS iqama system and to get a higher salary as well. I would still leave in a few years and become a UK citizen, which I can do any time.
P.S. Haha, good point, cmp45
P.P.S. And johnslat as well 
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well, perhaps this does explain a lot
"I turned 0, 10, 20, and 30 in the Magik Kingdom."
about the avatar, I mean. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| trapezius wrote: |
| That citizenship law is a sham. You need to get 21 points to qualify, and the only way one could get those 21 points (assuming you meet the required conditions first, i.e., continuous 10-year residence and fluency in Arabic; birth in Saudi is not a condition) is either if one has a Ph.D. (and that as well in either science, medicine, or engineering) and/or close Saudi relatives. I can only get 18 points with a Master's degree. A Ph.D. would give me the additional 3 points. |
Well, when I was in the Magic Kingdom, I was offered the Saudi citizenship, but I declined the offer. Never, ever, I will abolish my home country citizenship for the Magic Kingdom one!
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| If I could qualify, would I apply? Probably yes, but only for the sake of convenience, i.e., to be free from the BS iqama system and to get a higher salary as well. |
The Magic Kingdom does not allow for dual citizenship!
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| I would still leave in a few years and become a UK citizen, which I can do any time. |
Well, according to the UK immigration rules, if you are married to a UK citizen, who is present and settled in Uk, first you will be issued a 2 year visa, then after the 2 years, provided your marriage still subsists, it may be possible to apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain (full residency). You get the UK naturalisation after spending at least 3 years in UK without spending more than 270 days outside UK during the last 3 years. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Now wouldnt the apostrophe be necessary in that case, tho the plural was intended, for clarity's sake? "Wannabes" just looks too much like an actual word these days |
The apostrophe would be quite wrong. There is a deprecated usage where it is used for the plural of initialisms (CD's, PhD's, TLA's) and for decades and centuries (the 1900's, the roaring 20's) and it is still correct usage to use it for the plural of individual letters (a's, b's and c's) but there is no precedent for its usage for the arbitrary reasons you cite.
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| if you are married to a UK citizen, who is present and settled in Uk, first you will be issued a 2 year visa |
If you're lucky. The issuance of a spousal visa is entirely at the discretion of the immigration officer who may use any trumped-up excuse to deny your spouse entry. Said immigration officers also often conduct private interviews with your spouse in which the spouse is asked embarrassing questions such as the color of her husband's underpants, the answer to which respectable women in most cultures would never dream of revealing to a stranger.
As other countries in the EU are civilized the trick is to go and work in another EU country, and your spouse will automatically be granted a residence visa for that country under EU law (the same EU law that allows residents of all other EU countries to be issued a UK residence visa for their spouse except UK citizens). |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
| There is a deprecated usage where it is used for the plural of initialisms (CD's, PhD's, TLA's) and for decades and centuries (the 1900's, the roaring 20's) and it is still correct usage to use it for the plural of individual letters (a's, b's and c's) but there is no precedent for its usage for the arbitrary reasons you cite. |
Do you see that Johnslat? SJ says that I can use the apostrophe in decades and centuries like 60's and 70's...
Excuse my borrowing your post in relation to an old debate between JS and me.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Er..."JS and I"...
NCTBA |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Dear veiledsentiments,
" . . . a deprecated usage" indeed.
Where, I ask, is the need for an apostrophe in, say, "the 1960s?" There's no contraction, there's no possession, and there's no possibility of misunderstanding (as there might be with, say, "The are four s's in Mississippi.")
Even the NYT finally stopped using it:
"As to the question above (and frequently submitted) of why we put apostrophes in decades (the 1960's) and in the plural of some all-capitalized initialisms (DVD�s), the answer is we don't anymore."
But in my research I came across a term I'd never encountered before: the greengrocer's apostrophe"
"Etymology
From the use of such an apostrophe in signs in (some) greengrocers� shops.
Noun
The incorrect use of an apostrophe to form the plural of a word through ignorance of the use of the apostrophe.
1998, Richard M. Hogg; et al, The Cambridge History of the English Language, page 121:
It is hardly surprising that these conventions seem to be in rapid collapse, with what has been called "the greengrocer's apostrophe" (apple's 60p, Antique's, linguistic's, and perhaps even mean't, all personally attested) ...
1993, British Film Institute, Sight and Sound Film Review
...sign advertising the Pan's Hotel is less an early case of greengrocer's apostrophe than a sardonic Pascalian allusion (pan in French meaning 'bet').
2004, Joy Burrough-Boenisch, Righting English That's Gone Dutch
When applied in English it produces greengrocer's apostrophes."
So I'm grateful the subject has come up again.
Regards,
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I knew that you would be thrilled...
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Apostrophobia and Apostrophilia. Abolish the d*** thing ! |
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