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Green Acres
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 260
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks cmp. So it is common to see Saudi males dressed in slacks and a short sleeve dress shirt? And when other Gulf males come to KSA, they dress in the same manner as Saudi males -- traditional or in western attire as I have just described.
I find that most helpful, since packing a suitcase is really not my most favorite task, and knowing these things is very helpful. Do men wear ties often?
I have another question regarding sporting attire. If I were to play football, on a pitch somewhere, then I would change at the pitch and carry my clothes in a gym bag, right? I read that men should not show their legs, at all, is that right? Are women allowed to watch football matches in a stadium? Or must they be excluded? |
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Linguist
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I read that men should not show their legs, at all, is that right? |
Yes, you're right. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I would be much happier to blend in, but not at the expense of making everyone uncomfortable. |
With all due respect, if you want to blend in, wear normal professional western-style menswear. No matter how long your beard, no matter how pristine your thobe and shumagh, you will NEVER be mistaken for a local.
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| What would my students be wearing? I find that in most places that I work, that I must dress more professional than my students. |
Depends on where you work. If they are young university students, they will wear thobes or jeans and t-shirts. It seems that in the Eastern Province, Shia students are more likely to wear jeans for some reason.
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| Some of my simple questions have not been answered, for example -- long sleeves or short sleeves? How about wearing ties? |
Most of my male colleagues wear long sleeves, but some consistently wear short sleeves and it does not seem to be a problem either in terms of fashion or professionalism. Many of them do not always wear ties, but I have heard that they keep ties and even a coat in the office in case a "formal" situation comes up. (The women do the same...keep a headscarf in the office just in case.)
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| What if I were from another Muslim country, say Jordan or Egypt, would my attire reflect that I'm from this area, or would someone from Jordan dress as a Saudi man while in the kingdom? |
Gulf Arabs will wear their own version of the thobe. Non-Gulf Arabs almost always wear western-style attire to work, but very often wear a thobe with no shumagh when they are relaxing. |
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Green Acres
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 260
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your answer Mia Xanthi, it is helpful, to say the least. I wonder about shoes, both for men and women.
Under an abaya, would a woman wear heels? Are there any rules governing this form of attire for women? What kind of shoes do most women wear? Are shoes expensive to buy in KSA?
Is dry cleaning expensive and/or available in most cities?
Are there any colors which shouldn't be worn? |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your answer Mia Xanthi, it is helpful, to say the least. I wonder about shoes, both for men and women.
Under an abaya, would a woman wear heels? Are there any rules governing this form of attire for women? What kind of shoes do most women wear? Are shoes expensive to buy in KSA?
Is dry cleaning expensive and/or available in most cities?
Are there any colors which shouldn't be worn? |
Attire for non-Muslim men and women is not all that different here than anywhere else....dressing conservatively and modestly in the public eye means just that...what you wear in the privacy of your own home is your call and no body's business...if you still don't get it...well then lordy have mercy on you!
Dry cleaning is inexpensive and available in most places.
Your type of questions really make me suspect that you are a troll...or just really really naive. |
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Kipling

Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 371 Location: ...Ah Mrs K peel me a grape!!!....and have one yourself!!!!
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: Say Yer Prayers. Now!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Mr Braveheart directed us to here
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=122470&d=13&m=5&y=2009
and it contained this wonderful snippet regarding the punishment for improper dress
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| The alternative punishment like asking them to memorize the Qur�an or attend congregational prayers for a month will be a suitable punishment for them, |
Right, so its a punishment then. LOL  |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Under an abaya, would a woman wear heels? Are there any rules governing this form of attire for women? What kind of shoes do most women wear? Are shoes expensive to buy in KSA? |
Depends on where you are. Many women wear heels, but some feel that it is immodest, especially to wear slingbacks that show the actual flesh of the foot. I think the isse is less about height of heel and more about how much skin is or is not revealed. Feet can be sexy, too! All kinds if shoes are available in KSA, but there tend to be very few in the mid-price level. It's either very expensive designer shoes, or crappy low-quality "copies".
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| Is dry cleaning expensive and/or available in most cities? |
Dry cleaning is fairly cheap and widely available. However, the quality is so poor that I tend not to buy things that need to be dry-cleaned. I've had lovely garments ruined by the chemicals in the process.
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| Are there any colors which shouldn't be worn? |
Don't wear red or other bright colors on Ashura. I've heard something about yellow being a color for cuckolds, but I have no idea if that's really a common belief. |
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Green Acres
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 260
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Im not a troll. I have legitimate concerns and I'm also thinking about more people than just myself, so pardon my own naivete, I am quite naive about many things...I will be the first to admit it. I began this thread, and I will continue to ask questions until I feel more comfortable about the things that my family will bring to KSA and those things we may purchase once we have arrived.
"Shoes" is a tricky one. They take up lots of room, sometimes you need many a pair, and goodness gracious if we hadn't thought of that!! I really have no problems with my own shoes, or my work attire. I'm thankful of the post by Mia Xantia on the part about the shoes that reveal flesh. That just excluded two pair of my wife's collection. So for women, they should wear a shoe that covers the foot (which really rules out stilettos and that type of high heel).
How about running shoes or tennis shoes? A good pair of addidas will run about 70-100 bucks (US). Would that be about the same rate in the KSA?
Do men wear sandals that reveal the foot? Is it wrong for men to reveal their feet by wearing sandals? |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: |
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One thing I forgot to tell you about shoes in general: they wear out quickly here. Every year when I go home, I buy an expensive pair of black teaching shoes....practical, school-marmish shoes made of good leather with thick soles. They never last more than one semester. The heat on the streets here and the dry desert air just destroys them.
If you have particularly large feet (not me - mine are dainty little things) you will want to bring extra pairs with you. Wide shoes are also difficult to find.
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So for women, they should wear a shoe that covers the foot (which really rules out stilettos and that type of high heel). |
Not so fast on throwing out those stilettos. Women get invited to a lot of fancy women-only parties here. Don't make your wife get rid of her party shoes just yet!
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| How about running shoes or tennis shoes? A good pair of addidas will run about 70-100 bucks (US). Would that be about the same rate in the KSA? |
Yes, these are widely available at about the same cost.
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| Do men wear sandals that reveal the foot? Is it wrong for men to reveal their feet by wearing sandals? |
Sandals are the most common form of Saudi male footwear. You can get excellent quality hand-made Saudi sandals for 80 SAR down at the souq. They're quite a buy and they last forever. They also make good gifts for the folks back home. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Don't wear red or other bright colors on Ashura. |
Well, Teta Mia, I am not sure about the above, but I am sure that in the Magic Kingdom, you are warned (especially girls) not to wear anything red, especially during the time of Valentines' day!
BTW, Teta Mia, did you celebrate the Valentines' day in the Magic Kingdom?
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| I've heard something about yellow being a color for cuckolds, but I have no idea if that's really a common belief. |
Teta Mia, the Cuckoo in the Magic Kingdom is innocent!
Well, I have ever never heard about your claim about the yellow color in the Magic Kingdom!
Don't forget, the magic Kingdom also they have the Saudi Yellow Pages!
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| Wide shoes are also difficult to find. |
Well, men shoes size 10+ are available in the Magic Kingdom, I did get mine in Jeddah for SR300 (Clarks shoes). |
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Green Acres
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think I'm starting to see the picture. Thanks for all the helpful replies. So the Saudi women have parties in their homes for "women only?" Interesting. Is it like a slumber party?
Also, is it safe to assume that male feet are visible in all walks of life? I could wear a pair of slacks and sandals when going out with my abaya covered wife whose covered head to toe and...
Children don't follow the rules until they are about 13? Is that right? |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| So the Saudi women have parties in their homes for "women only?" Interesting. Is it like a slumber party? |
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No, not like a slumber party. More like a "harem" party. The women dress up in beautiful and often very sexy clothes, and they usually hire a DJ and the women dance with each other/for each other to both Western and Arab music. Even more of a wild male fantasy than the slumber party, I guess.
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| Also, is it safe to assume that male feet are visible in all walks of life? I could wear a pair of slacks and sandals when going out with my abaya covered wife whose covered head to toe and... |
PLEASE stop worrying about your feet! It's really not that big a deal. And your wife doesn't have to be covered from head to toe in some places. In Jeddah and in the Eastern Province, there is no need for her to cover her hair.
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| Children don't follow the rules until they are about 13? Is that right? |
For boys, nothing ever changes. For girls, they usually start to wear an abaya in public whenever they begin to physically mature. In many international schools, teenaged girls do not wear an abaya at school or on the bus coming and going to school. Again, depends on the school and the region.
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Gulezar
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with Mia on the pricing of women's shoes in Saudi ... expensive designer or cheap knock offs and not much in midrange. The cheap knock offs tend to fall apart after a week. Anything above women's 9 (US) or 40, can be difficult to find. However, you can take a weekend shopping trip to Kuwait and find lots of good quality designer liquidation shops. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Granted I didn't live in Saudi, but elsewhere in the Gulf - for the 15+ years in the ME, I wore sandals for nearly 365 days a year. I was never able to purchase shoes there because I have the problem of very narrow feet. I had about 10 pair of mostly high quality, expensive sandals, and they normally lasted for 3-4 years.
Now Cairo? You were lucky to have your shoes last a year.
I agree with Mia... don't worry... wear what you are comfortable with. Cleo loves her strappy heels and I loved my sandals. Never once did anyone ever mention anything about my feet while working there.
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eclectic
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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YOu never know who will spot what during what ebb or flow of heating-up or cooling-down political/religious fervor. Just because so-and-so never got a warning from the Virtue/Vice Squad doesn';t mean someone else will fair better or worse at the right place and time.
Better be safe and respectful. When in Rome.......... |
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