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cardboardbird
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
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| I say make up your mind and tell the school NOW and not later. This way the school can look for another teacher NOW. It's business first, professional courtesy second. |
I do feel sort of bad about changing my mind so I intend to tell the first school ASAP. But the Shanghai Uni ticks all the right boxes (for me anyway) so I would not want to give it up.
Given how far off Sept is they will have plenty of time to find someone else. |
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cardboardbird
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Bailing on a contract when a better offer comes along |
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Should I sign with both and wait for them both to send an invitation letter and then use the one I want to get the Z-visa? |
Best idea so far.
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You dont think there is any chance the Chinese Embasy will say "hey you have 2 inviation letters issued, no Z-visa for you!"? |
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JGC458
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, evaforsure.
When in China, adhering to the Western definition of "professional" can be as useful as the British Red Coats steadfastly applying Old World military tactics when fighting the Native Americans. Remember scenes in Last of the Mohicans, where the British soldiers stood in open ground in closed formation, "honourably" exposed to Native attack, while the Natives "disgracefully" stayed under cover and picked the British off, and only later came out to fight like "men" when the British were already decimated?? Who fought with more "honour", the British according to British rules, or the Native Americans according to Native American rules?? And who won those battles, and how did they win? The white man's tactics had to change because of the different context.
Our Western view of what is "professional" and "fair" seems to have little to do with what the Chinese understand as "professional" and "fair", and we're in a Chinese land. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| cardboardbird wrote: |
I do feel sort of bad about changing my mind so I intend to tell the first school ASAP. But the Shanghai Uni ticks all the right boxes (for me anyway) so I would not want to give it up.
Given how far off Sept is they will have plenty of time to find someone else. |
ASk about housing, I've heard on other forums that you should expect to spend about 3000 to 5000 rmb a month on SH housing.
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| cardboardbird wrote: |
Should I sign with both and wait for them both to send an invitation letter and then use the one I want to get the Z-visa? |
Best idea so far.
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You dont think there is any chance the Chinese Embasy will say "hey you have 2 inviation letters issued, no Z-visa for you!"? |
I don't think so, obviously, only bring one of them when you apply. |
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suanlatudousi
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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When in China, adhering to the Western definition of "professional" can be as useful as the British Red Coats steadfastly applying Old World military tactics when fighting the Native Americans. Remember scenes in Last of the Mohicans, where the British soldiers stood in open ground in closed formation, "honourably" exposed to Native attack, while the Natives "disgracefully" stayed under cover and picked the British off, and only later came out to fight like "men" when the British were already decimated?? Who fought with more "honour", the British according to British rules, or the Native Americans according to Native American rules?? And who won those battles, and how did they win? The white man's tactics had to change because of the different context.
Our Western view of what is "professional" and "fair" seems to have little to do with what the Chinese understand as "professional" and "fair", and we're in a Chinese land. |
And by bowing to and being lead around on a leash by primitive business practices you'll all continue to get screwed, cheated, and the like. |
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JGC458
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| suanlatudousi wrote: |
| JGC458 wrote: |
When in China, adhering to the Western definition of "professional" can be as useful as the British Red Coats steadfastly applying Old World military tactics when fighting the Native Americans. Remember scenes in Last of the Mohicans, where the British soldiers stood in open ground in closed formation, "honourably" exposed to Native attack, while the Natives "disgracefully" stayed under cover and picked the British off, and only later came out to fight like "men" when the British were already decimated?? Who fought with more "honour", the British according to British rules, or the Native Americans according to Native American rules?? And who won those battles, and how did they win? The white man's tactics had to change because of the different context.
Our Western view of what is "professional" and "fair" seems to have little to do with what the Chinese understand as "professional" and "fair", and we're in a Chinese land. |
And by bowing to and being lead around on a leash by primitive business practices you'll all continue to get screwed, cheated, and the like. |
Suan, your reply to my post does not make sense - your reply doesn't correspond to the text of my post. Are you referring to some other post of mine?
And Suan, you seem to be on some crusade. Not sure this is the place for that. |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| And by bowing to and being lead around on a leash by primitive business practices you'll all continue to get screwed, cheated, and the like. |
As if the western business model has served FTs so well in the recent past....it is sure that by not adapting these primitive practices, a FT will illustrate to the Chinese business community that trust and ethics will in time reward the participants with good Karma....and little else.. |
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suanlatudousi
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| JGC458 wrote: |
When in China, adhering to the Western definition of "professional" can be as useful as the British Red Coats steadfastly applying Old World military tactics when fighting the Native Americans. Remember scenes in Last of the Mohicans, where the British soldiers stood in open ground in closed formation, "honourably" exposed to Native attack, while the Natives "disgracefully" stayed under cover and picked the British off, and only later came out to fight like "men" when the British were already decimated?? Who fought with more "honour", the British according to British rules, or the Native Americans according to Native American rules?? And who won those battles, and how did they win? The white man's tactics had to change because of the different context.
Our Western view of what is "professional" and "fair" seems to have little to do with what the Chinese understand as "professional" and "fair", and we're in a Chinese land. |
And by bowing to and being lead around on a leash by primitive business practices you'll all continue to get screwed, cheated, and the like. |
Suan, your reply to my post does not make sense - your reply doesn't correspond to the text of my post. Are you referring to some other post of mine?
And Suan, you seem to be on some crusade. Not sure this is the place for that. |
Okay, it's YOU that can't make the simple connection about acting subserviently.
Thanks for your crusade opinion, but your rant about 233+ year old military "strategy" being equal to modern day business theory/ethics in a unifying world show more crusade"ness' I believe. |
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JGC458
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, it's YOU that can't make the simple connection about acting subserviently.
Thanks for your crusade opinion, but your rant about 233+ year old military "strategy" being equal to modern day business theory/ethics in a unifying world show more crusade"ness' I believe. |
That post of mine had nothing to do with subservience.
And that other post of mine had an analogy - which I think was graphic and relevant.
Suan, you seem to find it difficult to see things from other people's point of view. Hope that changes for you some time.
[Edit: Just to apologise to cardboardbird for helping derail the thread. It wasn't my intention and I'm not going to continue derailing it.] |
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Raindrops
Joined: 18 May 2009
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Location: PRC
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Suan, you seem to find it difficult to see things from other people's point of view. Hope that changes for you some time.
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Suan as indeed lots of difficulties, and I do hope as well. |
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Hansen
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: central China
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Cardboard, You have no idea how the job in Shanghai is going to pan out. Sounds like they made you an offer. Notice that you are planning to burn someone with whom you already made an agreement. Suppose the school in Shanghai finds another employee who "ticks all the right boxes"?
They'll kick you to the curb faster than you are kicking your other prospective employer. You may not even know until you arrive and they tell you, "Oops, the position is already taken but we didn't want to tell you in case the other person didn't show up.
Good luck. |
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