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evaforsure
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| Don't thinks he is. The PSB would not issue an RP that didn't cover the length of the contract. |
They have in the past....When I have attended the procedures at the PSB, they did not even consider the contract.. rather they wanted to see the FEB and local police neighborhood registration .. did not retain them and issued a RP at the request of the applicant/FAO for the time requested by application..upon completion .. the passport is picked up and the fee is paid at that time... |
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JGC458
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Well, this is pretty much ALL news to me! Seems I've had the fortune to have been employed by fairly decent schools/FAOs.
Thanks for posting, this is something I can add to my ever-growing list of things to look out for in the future  |
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Hansen
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"Don't thinks he is. The PSB would not issue an RP that didn't cover the length of the contract. "
Where do you get these ideas from? I have a RP shorter than my contract. When I attended university, I had an X visa that was shorter than the school term upon which the visa was based.
I'm really not sure why the contract was longer than the RP. The FAO said we needed another paper in order to get the RP for two terms. Since he' s a liar and an incompetent, I'll likely never know why. I have a two term contract and the RP was for one term. The FEC is for two terms.
Unless you have dealt with every PSB office in every city in China simultaneously, with equal guanxi in each office, you have no right to make a statement like that. Especially so unless you are able to freeze time so the policy or lack thereof does not change. |
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Mister Al
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| Unless you have dealt with every PSB office in every city in China simultaneously, with equal guanxi in each office, you have no right to make a statement like that. |
Ooooooerrrrrr, missus. You seems at tad upset. Anyway, obviously I haven't performed that incredible act so your probably quite right.
My question now is that unless someone's making a quick buck out of Johnny Foreigner what would be the logic of why an RP should not cover at least the length of your stay, whether for employment or study.
Mind you this is the Middle Kingdom...........
Keep your knickers on.  [/quote] |
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evaforsure
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| My question now is that unless someone's making a quick buck out of Johnny Foreigner what would be the logic of why an RP should not cover at least the length of your stay, whether for employment or study. |
Looking for logic or trying to understand Chinese motives is useless....figure out what the game is .. don�t worry bout the reasons ... look out for the trick bag....
Why.. to avoid paying certain final payments perhaps...who cares.. the fact is . if your RP is shorter than the contract.. u MAY be in for some 'griftin'...and while it is prudent to assume the Chinese are always going to try and ripp u off...it could be legitimate ....in China u never kn ow so just to be aware ..check dates and ask questions. my methods of finding info close to the read deal is to ask the same question to three different people .in three different ways ..... three different times... |
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englishgibson
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A last post of Mr M;
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| what would be the logic of why an RP should not cover at least the length of your stay |
A post way before that from Ms E
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Could it not be used to exploit the time limit.. by issuing a RP for less than the stated contract...could not the employer simply let the RP time out .. thus allowin themselves to play short of contract completion and giving rise to the ability of the company to avoid dishin out final payments ....is this what your talkin bout EG....
Now the pressure would be on to sign a new contract..just to gain the new RP...just spitballin here ...... |
I think that the logic has been explained pretty well before. So, why is it so difficult to understand the reasoning behind shorter RPs? What "visa" would an employee work for the remaining few days or a month of his/her contract anyway? Would it be F or L? Or, would it be a new RP with the same employer IF HE/SHE SIGNED ANOTHER YEAR
Every FT should make sure his/her employment contract is at least for as long as his/her RP. If an employer wants to cut your RP short by either a few days, a month or even two months (ones in my case), make sure he/she adjusts your end of employment contract's date according to your RP's expiry date as well.
It seems that if we don't sign up with the same employers again, the country (authorities/employers) wants as to make a fast exit rather than search for other opportunities on mainland. One month for a job search is a short time, but three weeks is even shorter. And, any job search online (from far away) gives employers so much more to lie about too, since you can't come in and see their b*llshh. and, i haven't even mentioned recruiters and their opportunities with fts fast exit after their gig's done. 
Cheers and beers to all fts that will carefully apply for their RPs along with their fine FAOs |
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Hansen
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"Ooooooerrrrrr, missus. You seems at tad upset. Anyway, obviously I haven't performed that incredible act so your probably quite right."
Yes, well stupidity does upset me a bit, although I can't imagine why. Perhaps because I'm in the process of renewing my RP which was for just one term instead of two. Of course, my contract was for two terms.
In the case of the university X visa, the visa was short because the FAO was a moron and of bad moral character.
Since I just discussed this today with the FAO again about my RP and contract, I know the story he told; however, I also know that he is a moron of sorts and of a character despicable by most Western standards, unless you happen to be a sociopath.
Strange that people are asking about logic in a land where people lie when the truth would actually make things easier.
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Mister Al
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I don't suppose it really makes much difference unless you actually have to pay for your RPs and it costs you more money. You wouldn't be so stupid as to accept that, would you?
BTW, chill out..............  |
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eddy-cool
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I see yourproblem, Gibby, butIthink the PSBarefaced with a different type of Joe applying foran RP.
Long-termers such as youwould like their newRP to seamlessly add on to the old one, coinciding with contracts, right?
The PSB are mostly dealing with one-year or one-term jobholders who arrive here on a work visathattakes up the first few days to one monthbefore an RP is issued.
Thatmaybe the reason whythe PSB don't think it necessary to issue RPs that are validexactly aslong as yourcontract is. |
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evaforsure
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| It seems that if we don't sign up with the same employers again, the country (authorities/employers) wants as to make a fast exit rather than search for other opportunities on mainland. |
Gibbs, this is just what immigration wants .. not job seekers...they want only those who have the visa requirements and are attached to one employer...and not an independent or unemployed rollin around china looking for future employment...opportunities belongs to the natives and the only thing that is suppose to avail itself ..... is one job with one employer...not to muse over the possibilities of career� |
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