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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Of course, if they did texts in Arabic, it would be the same language as is used in the press and books... Modern Standard Arabic. There are almost no Arabic books printed in national dialects.
All Arabic students entering their schools in all of the Middle East have to learn this language in order to study.
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tatsuo1
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:38 am Post subject: re: the word FEDERAL |
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John, I did indeed see the word FEDERAL. So to clarify why that word does not mean much, unless Massachusetts is now under a federal education curriculum, the word FEDERAL only refers to money provided to the state.
Technically speaking, all states receive federal funds for education. But each state develops and implements their own curriculum. There isn't a federal curriculum. Although teachers may actually obtain a National license in their specialty field.
As always John, thanks for your input. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: re: the word FEDERAL |
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| tatsuo1 wrote: |
| Although teachers may actually obtain a National license in their specialty field. |
Really? I have only heard of state certification... and while it is normally accepted across state lines, your new state may make you take a special course or two to achieve a final license.
Who gives out these "National Licenses?"
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tatsuo1
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: Re: re: the word FEDERAL |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| tatsuo1 wrote: |
| Although teachers may actually obtain a National license in their specialty field. |
Really? I have only heard of state certification... and while it is normally accepted across state lines, your new state may make you take a special course or two to achieve a final license.
Who gives out these "National Licenses?"
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This additional education VS is not a true license. But a recognition of the teachers continued attempt to improve their field. It does not supercede any state certification. Rather it supplements a state certification.
States can now require a specialty exam in a chosen field beyond the education field. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, you don't seem to understand my question. Any state can require any teacher to take any course they wish. And obviously any teacher can do professional development.
I am asking about your statement about a "National License." My question is who does this license? Who decides who gets it? Some office in Washington DC?
I have still never heard of any "National" education certification in the US...
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tatsuo1
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Sorry, you don't seem to understand my question. Any state can require any teacher to take any course they wish. And obviously any teacher can do professional development.
I am asking about your statement about a "National License." My question is who does this license? Who decides who gets it? Some office in Washington DC?
I have still never heard of any "National" education certification in the US...
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To address the first statement, after a teacher is certified, the state has issued a permanent license and can no longer dictate course work.
I stated in my post that it was not a true license. A national license does not exist. Poor choice of term on my part. The program has been financed in the past by the federal government with state support. I do not know, under the present conditions, if this is still true.
Hope I have answered your question. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| tatsuo1 wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Sorry, you don't seem to understand my question. Any state can require any teacher to take any course they wish. And obviously any teacher can do professional development.
I am asking about your statement about a "National License." My question is who does this license? Who decides who gets it? Some office in Washington DC?
I have still never heard of any "National" education certification in the US...
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To address the first statement, after a teacher is certified, the state has issued a permanent license and can no longer dictate course work.
I stated in my post that it was not a true license. A national license does not exist. Poor choice of term on my part. The program has been financed in the past by the federal government with state support. I do not know, under the present conditions, if this is still true.
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Thanks... that was my question since I had never heard of a "national license." And... I have had a number of friends who moved to a new state and were required by that state to take X number of courses before they were considered officially certified to teach in that state. Often this was because of a minor shift in what they had been teaching. One place where different states seem to have different requirements is in the area of ESL.
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johnslat

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tatsuo1
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: State requirements |
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Yes VS, each state has requirements for certification in a specific field. If an individual is moving to a new state it might be necessary to take additional coursework. The new teacher will probably be granted a provisional certification until the requirements are met.
Sometimes it's interesting to see how states change their requirements in the belief that a better education system will result. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It is a constant battle to try to raise the results... which keep going down... while requirements go up. |
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tatsuo1
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: re: battle |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| It is a constant battle to try to raise the results... which keep going down... while requirements go up. |
So true. But very often its the combatants that determine how the results are achieved.
New York State requires all teaching license candidates to submit a video/cam recording of one lesson as part of the certification process.
How often someone is actually viewing those tapes is left to the ages. |
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leez

Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Posts: 115 Location: wait until next week...yes, of course the embassy is closed on monday!
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Sorry, you don't seem to understand my question. Any state can require any teacher to take any course they wish. And obviously any teacher can do professional development.
I am asking about your statement about a "National License." My question is who does this license? Who decides who gets it? Some office in Washington DC?
I have still never heard of any "National" education certification in the US...
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VS,
perhaps this bit of news will help...there is a federal exam that a certified teacher may take and upon receiving a passing grade, include this test score with an application for certification in a subsequent state.
i do not have the title of the test in my head but can look it up. know that in 1993, armed with an AZ cert, took said test, then applied for and received (elementary) certs in two states thereafter without the need for additional coursework.
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ckhl
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| Does anyone have statistics on how much the UAE apportions to education? When I was at the HCT, I heard that it was surprisingly low considering all of the official talk of the govt's commitment to education. And what difference will any of these initiatives make considering that most Emiratis will opt, if possible, to work in the public sector? I've read that 90% of all private sector jobs are held by expats. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone have statistics on how much the UAE apportions to education? When I was at the HCT, I heard that it was surprisingly low considering all of the official talk of the govt's commitment to education. |
It would be interesting to compare the per student investment by country. The cost to run a university like UAEU (plus HCT and ZU) where you provide the students with free tuition, books, housing... and import most of your faculty also providing them with housing and benefits that none of these teachers would be getting if they were in their home countries.
It may look low when you look at the raw number spent on education... but put at population versus massive income from petroleum...
I'm sure some statistician somewhere has tried to figure this out, but the UAE is probably not very transparent as to true income and expenditures.
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ckhl
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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It may look low when you look at the raw number spent on education
I take your point...but what was pointed out to me was the relatively paltry percentage of the federal budget that was allocated to education. |
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