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lizziebennet



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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear lizzie,
You might want to check out these links:

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=30144&sec=32&con=37

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44545

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20911

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-133983276.html

http://www.leaderu.com/common/saudiarabia.html

http://tinyurl.com/n3d983

There are a LOT more, but this should give you an idea.

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John
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear lizzie,
Not while I was shopping - but a good number of my students gave me Qurans and Islamic literature.
Some teachers were irritated or offended when this would happen, but I always thought it was flattering. They cared enough about me that they wanted to save me from going to hell (well, they didn't realize just what a lost cause that was.)
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
They cared enough about me that they wanted to save me from going to hell.


If'n you hadn't accepted, maybe they would have opened an IPA there and sent you to Hail! Very Happy

Seriously tho, I, too, found it to be a generous, if not misguided, offer. I keep one in a prominent place in my place back in the States. Along with the wall-covering of the 99 names of
Allah. Happily enuf, right next to it is the "Closed for Prayer" sign I snuck out of the operator's room at the Raytheon compound in Jeddah. Always a conversation piece...

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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lizziebennet wrote:


I have a small pepper spray with me here in Singapore...


Word of Advice: Do NOT attempt to pepper spray a saudi passport control guy. Pepper spraying the poor soul who humps your bags to the taxi is tolerated...but NOT the customs official... Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear NCTBA,

" I, too, found it to be a generous, if not misguided, offer."

Can we assume than, that it was a "rightly guided" offer?

How coincidental - I also have the very items you mentioned. The "Closed for Prayer" red and white triangle hangs on my home office doorknob, but then, my office is open 24/7. I never close.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...why does the phrase, "Great minds think alike" come to mind?

Jes' thinkin'...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear lizzie,
That pepper spray could come in handy:

"hehe!
Members of Khobar�s Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice were the victims of an attack by two Saudi females, Asharq Al-Awsat can reveal.
According to the head of the commission in Khobar, two girls pepper sprayed members of the commission after they had tried to offer them advice.
Head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice in the Eastern province Dr. Mohamed bin Marshood al-Marshood, told Asharq Al Awsat that two of the Commission�s employees were verbally insulted and attacked by two inappropriately-dressed females, in the old market in Prince Bandar street, an area usually crowded with shoppers during the month of Ramadan.
According to Dr. Al-Marshood, the two commission members approached the girls in order to �politely� advise and guide them regarding their inappropriate clothing.
Consequently, the two girls started verbally abusing the commission members, which then lead to one of the girls pepper-spraying them in the face as the other girl filmed the incident on her mobile phone, while continuing to hurl insults at them.
The Eastern Province�s head of the commission also revealed that with the help of the police his two employees were able to control the situation.
The two females were then escorted to the police station where they apologized for the attack, were cautioned and then released."

http://mahmood.tv/2007/09/26/religious-police-pepper-sprayed/

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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't take any chances on bringing the pepper spray. Anything that can be interpreted as a "weapon" could get you into serious trouble. Bringing in a bible or a sausage or two would get those items confiscated (with a dramatic display of disgust) but bringing in a "weapon" could land you in jail.

Yes, there are the "dawa" (missionary) guys who have booths near the entrance to supermarkets. I found them to be very polite and I thought they showed extraordinary restraint in their interactions with non-Muslims. They never said a word to me about my uncovered hair!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mia,
I agree - I guess I should have made it clear I was being facetious about the spray's coming in handy.
But it does raise the question: Did the ladies bring it into the Kingdom or buy it there?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:

Yes, there are the "dawa" (missionary) guys who have booths near the entrance to supermarkets. I found them to be very polite and I thought they showed extraordinary restraint in their interactions with non-Muslims. They never said a word to me about my uncovered hair!


Mia, might that have been because you were in the EP (you were, weren't you?)?

I found them, in Riyadh, to be in the same place and always, ALWAYS in the lil' missus' face ALL THE TIME...in Riyadh.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Lizzie my mom gave me a Bible mp3 player. I actually downloaded it onto my laptop and that comforts me but even if I didn't do that I would have that mp3 player which looks like a memory stick so maybe you could get one of those? And there is, like others stated, the internet which has a plethora of websites for Christians and where you can catch some televised sermons/teachings from the more popular people such as Joyce Myers and Joel Osteen. That may give your grandma some peace as it does my mom. Very Happy

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Lizzie,
You'll probably find that a lot of non-Islamic religious sites (and even some Islamic ones) are blocked in the Kingdom.
However, if you're fairly computer-literate (or know someone else who is), you can overcome the censorship with not too much trouble most of the time.
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John
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