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veiledsentiments
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| talktome wrote: |
VS- thank you for your well-wishes.
I will most certainly keep you informed while I'm there by PM if you want.
Also, Duhok is about 2 hours outside Irbil. |
Thanks for the info... never heard of the place, so it must be new... when I saw your other post, I noticed that it was on a Sabis Iraq thread. Yes, do keep in touch and PMs are probably the best. But, you need to make one more post (5) to get PM privileges. I'm sure that can be arranged. 
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Not really...only the desperate do...
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| Obviously you have never taught in South Korea. |
Now you can get your knickers all in a bind and I promise that I'll toss and turn all night long tonight.
I'd be careful with using words like "Obviously" until I had a little more maturity under the hood. i've done the hogwan experience, I was probably pulling guard duty on the D.M.Z. when you weren't even a glimmer in yor Momma's eye and I've watch Man walk on the Moon, so I might add, I've, obviously, been around the block a few more times than you have.
And, yes. I find the quoted statement that i commented on to be a bit defeatist. I expect more out of my employers, jes' as VS does and I'm not about to say, "Well, I gotta git my arse kicked in a coupla bars before I find the right one for me." I check to see if the bar is going to be a honky-tonk first and, if it is, I give it a pass. You see, that saves me the effort of coming on to Dave's as so many do and piss and moan about an employer that has had volumes written about it.
So, yes, my quote at the top of this post stands...
NCTBA
(REMEMBER: You post back with bile and vitriol about my response will only cause me to toss and turn tonight...and, I know that you don't want to live with that! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Is it jes' me or has anyone else thought about dubbing this "school"
Sabis School Absurdistan?
Like Jessica Rabbit said: "I'm not bad...I'm jes' drawn that way..." 
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Anonymousfornow
Joined: 09 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: Warning in reply about Sabis in Kurdistan |
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| As posted earlier: I do not think people realize how manipulative and evil a company can be. Sabis is scary. I got a contract from Sabis in Kurdistan recently that I could not sign. I do not think it would even be legal in the US. It would allow Sabis to decide what I did 24 hours per day 7 and days per week for 10 months and did not guarantee any pay because Sabis could fine me any amount for any reason at their discretion. Worse yet, I could owe them a huge amount of money if I left the job for ANY reason (over $12,000). This would have to be paid or they could hold my passport! This was the worst of the contract, but the rest was bad, too. Sabis said this was standard for the industry, but if it is, I need to find some other type of work! Seriously, though, this job may be dangerous. The recruitment was not at all honest, and you may be a slave and unable to leave their property for as long as they wish to have you there. Life is more "brutish and short" there by their choice, and there is no one to help you. |
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Argofoto
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Location: Philadelphia
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| historyman wrote: |
| Look just get the hell out of the place. Yes if people know that you have worked for SABIS it will do you harm. |
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but is it really harmful to your resume if you have worked for Sabis in Kurdistan? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Is it really harmful to your resume if you have worked for Sabis in Kurdistan? |
It's more like working for Sabis anywhere. |
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lapd08
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:48 pm Post subject: SABIS on your resume. |
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fadedgirl
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| I don't know about harmful for your resume...but might be harmful for your sanity. |
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lapd08
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:51 am Post subject: Post Script |
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(Just got another update from my friends at the State Department re: Iraq so I'm appending this to my last comment).
Surprised to hear SABIS is still operating in Erbil. Seems the situation isn't as rosy as they like people to think. Just hope their security has improved. It was pretty loose when I was there. |
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EFL Educator
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According to former EFL colleagues of mine SABIS has the highest turnover of EFL teachers in the Gulf....the pay is very low and there are few benefits whatsoever. I understand they hire mostly Indians and Arab speakers to teach English....and sometimes East Europeans and Chinese English teachers to teach English.  |
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lapd08
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:31 pm Post subject: SABIS Erbil |
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Wow! Thanks for the update. Things weren't so bad politically when I was there, i.e. there was no ISIL only Al-Queda to worry about and I must say, the benefits were rather generous-long vacations, free interim flights, bonuses, decent housing.
It makes sense that under the current climate, no Europeans, Americans or Pacific country English speakers would want to go there. I pity the students. |
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fadedgirl
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This is a typical situation of the school failing its students.
They lie through their teeth to get whatever teachers they can.
Sabis has a great reputation....throughout the Middle East....NOT here though.
And after working here, I have no idea why.
It's the worst pedagogy I've ever seen of all the schools I've worked at.
Go elsewhere. (And don't believe anything they tell you.) |
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fadedgirl
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| update: the soran school hasn't paid their local staff for 2 months. Smells of money trouble to me... |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| fadedgirl wrote: |
Sabis has a great reputation....throughout the Middle East....NOT here though.
And after working here, I have no idea why.
It's the worst pedagogy I've ever seen of all the schools I've worked at. |
If you look at this board, Sabis has a horrible reputation for pretty much exactly what you said. The only place that they have a good reputation is with Arab parents who approve of their system as there are zillions of tests and grades... what they do or don't learn doesn't seem to matter.
Professional and knowledgeable teachers never last more than a year and many don't bother to finish their contracts. So it has been for the whole Middle East for years.
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RedLightning
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| EFL Educator wrote: |
| According to former EFL colleagues of mine SABIS has the highest turnover of EFL teachers in the Gulf....the pay is very low and there are few benefits whatsoever. I understand they hire mostly Indians and Arab speakers to teach English....and sometimes East Europeans and Chinese English teachers to teach English. |
All English teachers were native speakers with the exception of-
-2 Kurdish-born Canadians (native level)
-1 South American (native level)
Benefits
The pay was not bad, lower than most gulf countries, higher than most of Europe and Asia, and probably more than you would make teaching in the United States, once taxes and the cost of living are factored in.
The school provided a roundtrip ticket(not a reimbursement)- additionally, a regional (roundtrip) ticket (Istanbul, Dubai, Beirut, etc.) was provided, to be used either during the winter or spring break.
Accommodation was provided as was transportation to and from work if you lived off campus. Health insurance was provided.
*Unfortunately, I cannot deny the high turnover rate |
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