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veiledsentiments
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| Middle East Beast wrote: |
| The flying public doesn't use it's collective common sense. |
Unfortunately, neither do the security apparatus. The reality is that the vast majority of this silliness that people have to go through does not make us safer. Not to mention that every time a group (official or local TV channel) does a serious check of the airline systems, they manage to trick it easily and walk right through.
I haven't heard of one attack that has actually been foiled by these procedures... and you know that they would trumpet it from the rooftops here. Has anyone else heard of any?
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
| So, rather than waste time and resources checking the exact volume of someone's roll-on deodorant, it would be much better to focus on genuine threats to security. |
As defined by whom? You? Me?
I don't profess to be an expert on airport security. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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As defined by whom? You? Me?
I don't profess to be an expert on airport security. |
Me neither. But I do know that those with expertise on chemical explosives have said that the chances of a 'liquid bomb' being successfully detonated - let alone exploded - on board a commercial aircraft are negligible. If that is the case, then it seems obvious that the airport staff checking Mrs. Bloggs' toothpaste could be more usefully deployed elsewhere.
Oh, and isn't it funny that, although the '100ml rule' is scrupulously applied at the entrances, once past them, you can buy all the Duty Free 'liquids' you might wish! It's OK for passengers' time and convenience to be sacrificed in the name of 'security' but god forbid we cut into airports' profits!
Anyway, there are rumours that the silly 'no liquids' policy is now up for review in Britain, which has to be good news. |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| But I do know that those with expertise on chemical explosives have said that the chances of a 'liquid bomb' being successfully detonated - let alone exploded - on board a commercial aircraft are negligible. |
Hmmm...Prior to 9/11, I wonder what odds experts would have placed on flying two wide-body airliners into the World Trade Center? |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmm...Prior to 9/11, I wonder what odds experts would have placed on flying two wide-body airliners into the World Trade Center? |
Fairly good ones, I would think.
Condi Rice and other top officials received fairly specific warnings about the possibility of terrorists using planes to attack the US, but they failed to act on them. 'Missile defence' was considered the real security priority. Apparently |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmm...Prior to 9/11, I wonder what odds experts would have placed on flying two wide-body airliners into the World Trade Center? |
Fairly good ones, I would think.
Condi Rice and other top officials received fairly specific warnings about the possibility of terrorists using planes to attack the US, but they failed to act on them. 'Missile defence' was considered the real security priority. Apparently |
Wow...Condi Rice...now she's a reliable source.
We would have been better off consulting Bozo the Clown. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...Condi Rice...now she's a reliable source. |
Uhhh..... she was the recipient of the warnings, not the source. |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Uhhhhhh...she was the mouthpiece for the source of our response, which as we all know now, was zilch.
I was mistaken, though. Bozo the Clown was the source of our response, the source who concluded that the odds of such action were...what...negligible? |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Uhhhhhh...she was the mouthpiece for the source of our response, which as we all know now, was zilch.
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I really don't know what point you're trying to make here, and I suspect you probably don't either. |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Uhhhhhh...she was the mouthpiece for the source of our response, which as we all know now, was zilch.
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I really don't know what point you're trying to make here, and I suspect you probably don't either. |
Again, you get personal.
One of us does have a problem. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think right now it is a shared problem. 
The fact is that there were written warning high up in the US administration... in fact given to the head bozo while he was doing his usual brush cutting the month before it happened.
There had been warnings for years about the use of planes. Even a mere TEFL teacher in the Gulf ha read them.
The current airline security rules are a joke. They are done to make the public think that they are safer so they keep flying... nothing more.
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