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Attractive Black man arrives for work in Guangzhou
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Boy George and George O'Dowd looked so different! Reply with quote

I read somewhere once that the British pop star Boy George was initially refused entry into the U.S. because his appearance was so markedly different from the picture of plain old George O'Dowd in his passport. In the end, the authorities relented and allowed him entry.
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Jayray



Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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Location: Back East

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cairnsman wrote:
The school would have almost certainly asked you for a photo before they offered you the job.

If you look the same today as in that photo, then I think you have a strong case to refuse to adjust your appearance.

If, however, you look substantially different from your appearance in the photo, then I feel that the school has a strong case to ask you to modify your appearance so that it reflects your original presentation.


I agree.

You know, China isn't exactly a hotbed of rampant individualism. I, personally, have no problem with dreadlocks, but to Chinese sensibilities, they're too far outside their range of cultural experiences. You're like a penguin on an island of ducks.

Adapt or die, as Darwin might have said.
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killian



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they wanted me to get rid of my "rattail". no way. it is well-kept. it defines my uniqueness.years of derisive taunts were endured while it matured into the magnificent representation of my innerself that it is so today. no amount of jealously is gonna get me to snip it. to appease them i had to be wiser than them. now during work hours i tuck my rattail INTO my shirt via the collar. they are now never the wiser. but one day my shirt came untucked and the rattail could be seen peek-a-booing about my beltline. darn kids thought it was a mouse or "dabian". ha ha, doncha love those kids?
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landa



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the update:

Today I quit. The only thing that I was compensated for was my hotel fee. The Director knew what I looked like prior to moving to China. She had my passport and additional photos that indicated that I had long hair. I acquired this connection through Oxford Seminars. They guarantee 100% job placement. They have not been any help either, but that is another story. I obtained my F visa instead of Z visa for the school because they gave me a deadline to be there for the job.

For the two days that I worked there I sat in a room watching videos of other teachers. Everyone was receptive to me except the director who speaks for everyone else. Upon leaving, the staff supported me and came to take pictures to remember me by.

Can you believe the Director tried to send one of the Chinese staff to my hotel to seduce me knowing that I am married. She told me that if I didn't like the girl she can find someone else until my wife joins me. I think that it was better that I quit now rather than prolong an inevitable departure.

Thanks to all of you for your support. I'm going to the gym....
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't blame you for quitting. Even though it didn't work out, I am glad to hear that most of the people at the school were supportive of you. I hope you find the position that you want. Keep us posted!
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Chris_Crossley



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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: The locals just look at things their way, not yours Reply with quote

When push inevitably comes to shove, you have to make a stand and make a dignified exit if a solution to the problem, compromising though it may have been, eluded you if it turns out that local management becomes so intractable.

The plain fact is that the managers have people above them in the lord/serf-type hierarchy that still pervades this country, and the ones lower down are always the ones who'll get it in the neck if they don't toe the line of those higher-ups giving orders or else fear that they will be severely criticised for doing something that they believe that the higher-ups with money (and lack of manners and decorum, probably) will not approve of.

As an expat, though, one can make a dignified exit and start with a fresh slate that has been wiped clean beforehand, though one has still to be aware of cultural sensitivities wherever one goes in this country. You can take comfort from the fact that your now ex-co-workers gave you moral support, yet the plain fact of the matter is that they must not necessarily be in managerial positions of the kind where they are inevitably answerable to others, such as the toady who told my ex-colleague to change her accent merely to stop parents complaining that their spoilt brats "couldn't understand a word she said in class" (or words to that effect).

One therefore has to be prepared to encounter such views again and again in a country where the Han perspective is, from the Han perspective, the only one that really counts. We are, after all, guest workers in "their" country, one that, thanks to the Hans, does not possess the kind of multicultural perspectives and attitudes that Westerners have (or else are supposed to have), yet that doesn't mean, of course, that we cannot be individualistic since even the most ill-informed local must surely realise that, as outsiders, our cultural norms are different from theirs, and they include being individualistic in terms of dress, hairstyle and so on.

However, if there are managers who still insist on your conforming to their personal standard of dress without compromise, there's little you can do to stop them using the "other-people-will-complain-about-you-to-me" card that gets so over-used in this country. They basically view matters in their own way and are usually reluctant to view matters from others' perspectives.
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LoPresto



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to type it dude, but, the people who took photos of you were probably just doing so to show their friends.

"Look, here I am with a long-haired black man."

Did they comment about your skin and maybe even ask to touch it?

Peace

This brings to mind something I witnessed in Yangshuo this past summer. I was using the free internet in my hotel and a little girl from the UK with blonde hair and blue eyes was at the computer next to me. A few "natives of this country" came in and saw her and then posed for pictures with her. After they left, I asked the little blonde girl if she knew them.

Guess what she said?
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alter ego



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

landa wrote:
Can you believe the Director tried to send one of the Chinese staff to my hotel to seduce me knowing that I am married. She told me that if I didn't like the girl she can find someone else until my wife joins me.


Ah, well, gee, the answer is no, I can't believe it. That sounds way too incredulous. You say the director "tried" to send a girl, which means she never actually did, right? She was only joking about doing it?

Maybe one or two of the young Chinese girls on the staff were so smitten by you that they mentioned it to the director, saying they'd be more than happy to go to your hotel room and keep you company.

If you have the looks, locks, and fitness-center body of a model get ready for more of this in China, as girls will swoon over you, ask for your mobile and send you text messages like "I want to take a shower with you" and much more.

You may want to consider shaving your head bald just to keep the birds away! Laughing
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The myth...in China?

As a side note, the visa scam might have tipped you off. Let others take note. Schools that encourage you into legal acts or acts which place you at a disadvantage, due to time constraints, on the end of the school, don't believe it. Not to blame you; however, had the school gone to the trouble to secure a "z" visa for you, I doubt they would have pulled this stunt.

I am often told things must be done a certain way because of the law, the government, the school, whatever. LIE,SCAM, RIPOFF. Don't believe it or do it.

As John Baptist de LaSalle wisely observed "Patience is the leading virtue of all great saints." English teachers, too, sometimes.

Landa, you sound like a sensible man, one with some self respect and dignity. As far as China goes, you are still Buckwheat. You might want to rethink China as a destination. Of course, your entire situation is not known; however, I can't imagine that China, where I live, is a suitable destination for any Black man, unless you are comfortable tap dancing, shuffling, and jiving.
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alter ego



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An American from Seattle lives two floors below my wife and I in the dorm apartments on the poly campus where we teach. He works here and also off campus at an IELTS prep college. He tells me he also does some occasional corporate training. He tells me things are going well. He's black.

His experience as a black FT in China might be different than mine, but I would never presume to tell him he's a "buckwheat," that he might want to rethink China as a destination, and that China isn't a suitable place for him to live and work unless he's comfortable "tap dancing, shuffling, and jiving."

When I do occasionally run into him I usually just say hi what's new how are your classes going yeah sure is cold weather we're having maybe you and your wife would like to have dinner sometime okay sounds good keep up the good work see you at the Christmas luncheon take it easy bye.

To the OP: We all do our share of tap dancing, shuffling, and jiving in China regardless of the color of our skin. Wink
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landa



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

After leaving the school, I ran into another teacher from the same school in my hotel. He only lasted 2 days as well. He is Vietnamese (You would not be able to differentiate him from Chinese) His hair is not even ear length and he was also asked to change his image and cut his hair. After refusing, he was also terminated. Both of us were referred through Oxford Seminars and both of us were baited and switched. We were promised one salary and when we arrived the salary changed dramatically. The name of the school is Guangzhou Worlda Cultural and Educational Service Company. The directors name is Mary. Neither one of us were reimbursed, I had to make a scene in order to get my hotel fee back. He received nothing.

I guess this is a learning experience, but I would hate for someone else to have to go through this. I do feel better now that I don't feel isolated in this incident, but I would like for others to learn from my experience.
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chinatwin88



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speak for yourself ego. I'm a mean teachin MO-FO and the last thing you would find in my classes is entertainment.

It is valuable for the op to gleam all experiences through testimonial here so he can truely have his options laid out before him.

I once had a friend who said he wouldn�t hire a black due to the nature of the reaction by the parents and he didn�t want to put anyone through that. I though that statement indicated he was un-intentionally racist the same way that Joe Biden was when he made comments about Oba-Mao when they were running for president, VP as to his demeanor of being well spoken. I believe the op likely has the right take on this and the FAO decided that he didn�t want the OPs freak flag waving and the OP (man, I hope your not a metro) decided he didn�t want to follow a guideline which would have deprived himself of his personality.

In my opinion, he should go back and give the FAO a taste of "The Night of The Living Dreads"..
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alter ego



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinatwin88 wrote:
speak for yourself ego. I'm a mean teachin MO-FO and the last thing you would find in my classes is entertainment.


Easy there, big guy. Please read my post again, because that's exactly what I did, speak for myself:

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His experience as a black FT in China might be different than mine, but I would never presume to tell him he's a "buckwheat," that he might want to rethink China as a destination, and that China isn't a suitable place for him to live and work unless he's comfortable "tap dancing, shuffling, and jiving."


Who or what is a "mean teachin MO-FO? And why would you want to be one? And what does "entertainment" have to do with my post? Were you referring to this?:

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To the OP: We all do our share of tap dancing, shuffling, and jiving in China regardless of the color of our skin.


Why did you assume this meant some kind of entertainment, aka being a "dancing monkey" in the classroom? And again, I was speaking for myself, saying that we all have to play the employment game, deal with Chinese employers, learn to work and cooperate with others, etc.

Why was that so personal to you? Why are you stomping through the posts on Dave's and being such a hypocrite in the process?

Here's you, CT88, on another recent thread:

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Red if you like to mingle with the help then by all means continue on but dont assume just because someone doesnt ape your social interaction they are less accepting of the classes than you are when you draw conclutions based on your own assumptions.


When you make arguments based on personal assumptions like "speak for yourself ego" when all I was doing was speaking for myself, it makes you sound more like a trolling MO-FO than anything else.

Yes, it's quite obvious that we should all speak for ourselves here. That's what posting and replying on this forum is all about. We can all have our own personalities here, our own opinions, without being overly sensitive and critical of each other.

Please stop trolling, you mean-teachin' MO-FO you! Laughing
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gregmcd101



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpedEd wrote:
. Boy, are you in the wrong place...


there are many black people in GZ. But the original problem was to do with hair. I don't recall the OP indicating that the FAO had a problem with his skin - just his hair. It was the OP who raised the colour issue
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One important lesson which can be gleaned form this experience is the danger of coming to work in China without proper papers, i.e., a "Z" visa.

Gypo school run by a witch, ripping off people --the "Z" process was designed by the government to prevent such things.

Sounds like Oxford Seminars should be avoided as well.
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