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Sheikh N Bake · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours

Just go back and read all your posts again. I think you missed them yourself. As for mine, the facts I stated are the facts.

eclectic · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1122

Im not questioning your facts. I believed everything you wrote. And I agree its a bit Twilight Zone to think that the US govt keeps tabs on everybody no matter where they are, but Bush/Cheney DID put those systems in place and they are being ramped up now by Obama, if you noticed.

And in the end, you didnt have to insult me personally, disagreeing in a decent manner would have sufficed.

Sheikh N Bake · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours

OK. Fact is, though, this past fiasco (a) was a Bush/Cheney phenomenon, not a natural tendency of the US government...don't forget, other regimes both benign and malignant also buy huge amounts of arms. Would you like to live in North Korea? heaven help us if the latter were a much bigger power than it is. (b) Bush warmongering has little to do with unreasonable taxes, as in fact the conservatives are against taxes, thinking funds to operate the government come out of thin air. However I do agree that our tax dollars should not be spent on wars like Iraq. (c) attacks against US civilians in the form of terrorism have been going on since the late 1970s, and came to a head on 9/11. It is unfortunate that Bush had to be in power then, but would you really expect any country to do NOTHING in response? A democratic government in any country would very soon lose power if it sat on its heels and said "Oh, we are evil people so we deserve it--let's just wait for some more. Thank you sir, may I please have another?" Actually the US was never a colonial power in the Middle East; its only sin was fretting about another possible holocaust in the country with no name. Eisenhower actually stopped France and the UK from intervening in a Suez conflict in 1956, something that the US was not involved in but nonetheless preferred Europe also not send troops to.

Sorry but we are certainly not slaves in any sense of the word and only ignorant people allow themselves to be "brainwashed." As for brainwashing, I've seen much more of it in Europe and the Middle East and also Japan. I've spent 35 years in 10 countries outside my own. Americans tend to be more independent-minded...but I say "TEND" because yes, there are evagelicals and neocons who don't know anything except how to ignore evidence that doesn't fit their narrow world view. Same everywhere around the world, but perhaps to a greater extent in many other regions.