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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| Do you or have you worked for JET? |
I spent 3 years with a prefectural BOE through JET, 2 years with CLAIR in the JET Programme department, and I help out with recruiting at half a dozen universities in the midwest, interviews at 2 consulates in the US and 1 in another country.
You?
ETA: thank you to both the people that PM'd me with the exceptions about departure. I know. I'm trying to keep things simple for the simple. As I said in my replies, if you get into the detail it just makes them whine harder.  |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikoan wrote: |
| G Cthulu: Obviously I would mention that I already have a visa if I get into JET, and I don't think they would have to switch it. Interac gives out a Instructor Visa, which is the same visa JET gives out for their ALT's. |
But you would still have to change the sponsorship. Not sure if that would mean getting a letter of release from Interac even before you work for them, or if immigration would just cancel the original visa and ask you to apply all over again.
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| I will not be getting a Specialist in Humanities visa because you cannot teach in public schools with it as you said. |
Well, yes and no. You can actually get special permission to do that, but your main work cannot be in a public school on a humanities visa. |
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Mikoan
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Posts: 28
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
I spent 3 years with a prefectural BOE through JET, 2 years with CLAIR in the JET Programme department, and I help out with recruiting at half a dozen universities in the midwest, interviews at 2 consulates in the US and 1 in another country.
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ETA: thank you to both the people that PM'd me with the exceptions about departure. I know. I'm trying to keep things simple for the simple. As I said in my replies, if you get into the detail it just makes them whine harder. |
G Cthulu: Sorry if I came across as insulting by asking you if you'd work for JET before, but since you were mistaken about what visa Interac would give me, I had no idea if your information about JET was accurate or just misunderstandings as well. So now I know.
Also, I *am* interested in the details since it seems like that is going to matter. Unless you think it'd be unethical to tell me as it might help me do something you think is unethical anyway. 
Finally, since you think my current plan is so terrible (and have actual experience with JET), what would you suggest I do in this situation? Make up some excuse and bail on Interac (they haven't given me a COE yet at any rate), see if I can defer until the fall (in case JET doesn't hire me), and wait in the US in the meantime?
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Posts: 1546
Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Mikoan wrote: |
Finally, since you think my current plan is so terrible (and have actual experience with JET), what would you suggest I do in this situation? Make up some excuse and bail on Interac (they haven't given me a COE yet at any rate), see if I can defer until the fall (in case JET doesn't hire me), and wait in the US in the meantime? |
Wait... isn't that what I suggested?! So you'll listen to him, but every on else's words aren't worth the forum space they are saved on.
You know: you show signs of being stubborn and arguementive; you're quite prepared to be deceptive and dishonest when it suits you; you couldn't give a rat's **** about how your behaviour reflects on the rest of the foreign community and you want have everything your way and seem to think that the rules and procedures shouldn't apply to you for some reason... there seems to be some striking similarities between you and the infamous JET that worked at my school until summer 2007 - The last JET to ever set foot there. JET placements are decreasing under many BOEs across Japan and one of the reasons is thanks to the bad attitude and lack of work mentality shown by previous JET ALTs. I hope that if you are accepted, you don't further damage JET programme's image. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Mikoan wrote: |
Finally, since you think my current plan is so terrible (and have actual experience with JET), what would you suggest I do in this situation? Make up some excuse and bail on Interac (they haven't given me a COE yet at any rate), see if I can defer until the fall (in case JET doesn't hire me), and wait in the US in the meantime?
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Personally, I'm not all that concerned per se about stiffing Interac. Feel free. My opinion of them *as a company* is so low that I would be happy if their corporate offices were shelled from space. The only thing I'm interested in as far as your situation goes is that it simply won't work as you seem to think it can. It's the underlying sense of entitlement that is interesting me.
If you want to keep the option with Interac open and not eliminate the chance with JET then the obvious solution is to try and defer Interac. It will cost you, what, two or at most three months lost wages, and those would only count as "lost" in the sense of being delayed compared to starting earlier with Interac.
If those 2-3 months extra income overall that Interac would provide are that important to you then you're not looking about for a holding pattern job in the US because IMO the reality is that you could find work that easily pays the same as Interac does for those 2-3 months without problem. Heck, a decent waiting job will pay more than Interac when it comes down to it! |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: |
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G Cthulu: Sorry if I came across as insulting by asking you if you'd work for JET before, |
It was an entirely fair question. You, after all, don't know me from a can of mikan, so it's not unreasonable to ask. The chorus of responses, however, should be giving you a hint about your plans.  |
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Mikoan
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Posts: 28
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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G Cthulu: Thank you for your response. It seems then I have two choices, go with Interac now and forget about JET, or wait for both.
It's not so much the salary that matters to me, it's that I am tired of being in transition.
As for entitlement...well, maybe it is entitled, but believe it or not, until I brought it up here, no one thought my plan was so out of line, and it was actually suggested to me by my Japanese professor (who said "it's no big deal to break contract with a company like Interac."). It was on this board too, that I learned (I thought) that breaking contract was not actually as big a deal as one might believe. I mean, how many times have I seen "you could go over with this crappy company now and just look for another job once you're there" being given out as advice? Isn't that intending to break contract as well? If I came off as rude or defensive (which I admit I probably did), I apologize. It was hard not to when it seemed like people were jumping all over me.
Seklarwia: I have been taking everyone's opinions into account, whether I've said so or not, but what's wrong with asking for more opinions, especially from G Cthulu who obviously has a lot of experience working with JET? Furthermore, it seemed like Glenski, who has a lot of teaching experience in Japan, was suggesting that it might be viable, so I was still weighing the different opinions at that point.
Also, I won't disagree that I can be rather stubborn and argumentative, but at least I don't go around judging people that I've never met and don't know anything about, let alone attacking them personally. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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| I mean, how many times have I seen "you could go over with this crappy company now and just look for another job once you're there" being given out as advice? Isn't that intending to break contract as well? |
Not at all. You come over with a crappy company, you search, make contacts and attend interviews that you couldn't have done from your home country. You are searching for better jobs that will most likely start the following academic year which is when you will finish your first contract. So there is no need to break the first contract at all. And you will have the added bonus of having some of the vital in country work experience that quite a few positions are seeking these days.
There are far fewer jobs being advertised outside of the hiring season starting at other times of the year and the ones that are are probably not better at any rate. |
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