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corij
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
I would look at an International School in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Beijing, if you are interested China.
Shenyang was looking for a science teacher on this very website's ads... |
just out of interest "g-whiner" what do you see of the city tree renewal programe in Shenyang.? i only saw dead or dying trees there last year, not a bit of green anywhere . i got painful eyes from the dust blowing |
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nateliu99
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| With those qualifications, would you mind expanding on why you'd come to China, rather than sticking it out on the "real world?" The real world being in the U.S. where you are. For me, I only want to be treated fairly here in China. I have an advanced professional degree and a master degree, but not official teaching credentials. So what would make you leave? |
WEll that is a great question, i guess, the "real world" kind of sucks. I was living in LA, teaching public school with a program called Teach for America
The whole experience was great but very tiring
pay for new teachers in LAUSD starts at like $2,500 AFTER taxes are taken out, not bad, definitely livable. By the time i left and had taken on more responsibilities at my school, i was getting paid $3,300 AFTER taxes. Not bad as well.
by the time i left LAUSD got hit hard with budget crisis. They were cutting thousands of new teachers to save money. The problem still is not resolved and they are requesting that ALL teachers take a 12% pay cut in addition to loss of many benefits. The money in the U.S. for public school teachers is not great. In addititon i was just tired of it all, putting in so much work in the innercity and due to bad administration or heavy turnover or whatever, having to fight the exact same battle over the exact same issues every year. nothing could ever change
So i just wanted to try something different, and the only time i felt happy in the last few years was when i took summer trips to Taiwan. i had already been there twice and wanted to try a different country where i could get better at Chinese, as it's always been a weakness
I did not feel like doing an international school job, as i needed a break from all the stress and grading papers and lesson planning, so i got this job through a connection of my coworkers
and that is history |
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spunkmonkey
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: e |
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| Schools in Mainland China don't really appreciate good qualifications...they are looking for Dancing Monkeys |
Wow! thefuzz - what an incredibly ignorant generalization to judge all schools in China based on your job description. |
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TexasHighway
Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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| With those qualifications, would you mind expanding on why you'd come to China, rather than sticking it out on the "real world"? The real world being in the U.S. where you are. For me, I only want to be treated fairly here in China. I have an advanced professional degree and a master degree, but not official teaching credentials. So what would make you leave? |
I cannot speak for the OP, but why do you think most guys decide to come to China rather than sticking it out in the "real world"? (Hint: it has nothing to do with salary  ). I'm sure it's not coincidental that the vast majority of FTs in China are male! |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ttorriel wrote: |
| With those qualifications, would you mind expanding on why you'd come to China, rather than sticking it out on the "real world?" The real world being in the U.S. where you are. For me, I only want to be treated fairly here in China. I have an advanced professional degree and a master degree, but not official teaching credentials. So what would make you leave? |
The California school system is completely broke with massive teacher layoffs right now. I was lucky to get into the University of California UC system teaching right now.
We are cutting back too, I don't see a long term employment prospect in any education area within California.
My university has "Teach ESL in China" advertisements on their job boards with recent graduates in B.Ed programs looking at going abroad to teach.
China stinks for decent employment prospects especially for those with an advanced degree, however, that 5000-RMB a month position does build experience until things get better. Many are thinking about taking these or any flunky job position to build experience level instead of working at places like Wal-Mart. We are in a world depression right now, only the government and corporate news media will try to hide these facts for their agenda.
A jobless recovery cannot create positive growth rates, and any recovery will be a jobless one.
If you want to read more stories about the Education layoffs in the USA go to
http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/
And look at the mass school layoffs some are in the thousands.
It's hard to get accurate information if you're in China, lots of negative stories about China's bubble economy too they control the news and everything you read so the illusion of things "not-so-bad" is common if you live in China.
The western world cannot hide the truth (yet) as well and I think things will be bad per experts until year 2016.
This will lead to a complete lost generation of opportunity for those younger people and recent graduates. A jobless recovery isn't a recovery.
My second master's degree is a dual MBA, I've been following the data and trying to read between the lines with what the experts are saying which often is conflicting at best. A few experts have a decent track record to listen to without a sales-pitch agenda.
You might find it interesting that some of the wealthier Chinese are bailing out of China right now buying real estate along with moving their complete family abroad including relative petitions.
The upper-scale areas of Los Angeles have had a massive immigration of new Chinese in the last 2-years. They are not the poor immigrants either. |
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kev7161
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| My school is always (read: every school year) looking for teachers that, you know, actually have teaching degrees and experience is a definite plus. The starting pay is not bad and the longer you work here, the better your salary becomes. Also, no more than 20 classes a week (with, of course, the prerequisite time for lesson prep and paper-grading). Suzhou is a fairly decent city and quite close to Shanghai as well. If the OP or anyone is interested, please PM me and I'll discuss it more with you. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| corij wrote: |
| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
I would look at an International School in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Beijing, if you are interested China.
Shenyang was looking for a science teacher on this very website's ads... |
just out of interest "g-whiner" what do you see of the city tree renewal programe in Shenyang.? i only saw dead or dying trees there last year, not a bit of green anywhere . i got painful eyes from the dust blowing |
If you want to know the brutal truth, I think the program is 'epic fail'.
They don't put enough resources, effort, or due care into maintaining the trees. |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China
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| kev7161 wrote: |
| My school is always (read: every school year) looking for teachers that, you know, actually have teaching degrees and experience is a definite plus. The starting pay is not bad and the longer you work here, the better your salary becomes. Also, no more than 20 classes a week (with, of course, the prerequisite time for lesson prep and paper-grading). Suzhou is a fairly decent city and quite close to Shanghai as well. If the OP or anyone is interested, please PM me and I'll discuss it more with you. |
Please define "not bad"  |
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Molson
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nateliu99:
You posted this twice on these forums. The first time I suggested you apply to an international school if you want some bucks.
However, you replied in this thread you want to get away from all that.
Have you thought of teaching at a university in South Korea? They have low hours and pretty decent pay.
I am an international school teacher, and I have to admit, I have started to think if I look at the work hours vs. salary, teaching ESL is a better use of time. I taught ESL for 9 years and never prep'd like I do now.
China isn't really big bucks unless you can get a low hour job that pays 10,000 RMB or so, then you stack on another 10-15hrs a week of privates at around 200RMB an hour. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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| Molson wrote: |
nateliu99:
You posted this twice on these forums. The first time I suggested you apply to an international school if you want some bucks.
However, you replied in this thread you want to get away from all that.
Have you thought of teaching at a university in South Korea? They have low hours and pretty decent pay.
I am an international school teacher, and I have to admit, I have started to think if I look at the work hours vs. salary, teaching ESL is a better use of time. I taught ESL for 9 years and never prep'd like I do now.
China isn't really big bucks unless you can get a low hour job that pays 10,000 RMB or so, then you stack on another 10-15hrs a week of privates at around 200RMB an hour. |
Spoken truth this is what the majority of the FT's do, or have a second business prospect/retirement income from abroad. |
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