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Imseriouslylost



Joined: 09 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Good grief! 25 = old? That makes me Methuselah. There are plenty of us true oldsters around (if you want to call oldsters anyone older than 40, which is when I started TEFL!).


Glenski, you're allowed to be older because you have a real job.

kokujin wrote:
Imseriouslylost wrote:

Why the hell is that? If you split a line down all the teachers in Korea the age would be something like 32 or 33, not 23. Most people who come to Japan and stay start at ALTs then do something else after a year? Or do most people just only do one year?


No. 90% of the other english teachers I've met here in Korea are in their early to mid 20s.

P.S. 25 isn't that old. I'd categorize you in the crowd of young teachers.


I guess it's relative to where you lived. I hung out with a lot of people who didn't drink and liked to mountain climb/go on motorcycle trips/take pictures in there free time so maybe I subconsciously chose an older crowd to surround myself with. I also didn't work at a big hagwon so I didn't have any Westerners forced upon me by proximity.
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starteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I also didn't work at a big hagwon so I didn't have any Westerners forced upon me by proximity

I like this observation !
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dove



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach business English at a few places, and there aren't any young (below 25) teachers. Most are over 30. Experience is definitely valued at these kind of jobs. I also think there is a fear that young teachers will request too much time off, call out sick because of a hangover, not follow the dress code, etc.
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razorhideki



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: Forget what some have said here...if you're over 40, it's EXTREMELY difficult to get a teaching gig in Japan. Even if you do, it'll likely be a non-JET gig where you'll a) need 5 grand just to get set up b) make 250,000/mo., at best c) be worked to the point of exhaustion.
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kokujin



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:

kokujin wrote:
Imseriouslylost wrote:

Why the hell is that? If you split a line down all the teachers in Korea the age would be something like 32 or 33, not 23. Most people who come to Japan and stay start at ALTs then do something else after a year? Or do most people just only do one year?


No. 90% of the other english teachers I've met here in Korea are in their early to mid 20s.

P.S. 25 isn't that old. I'd categorize you in the crowd of young teachers.


I guess it's relative to where you lived. I hung out with a lot of people who didn't drink and liked to mountain climb/go on motorcycle trips/take pictures in there free time so maybe I subconsciously chose an older crowd to surround myself with. I also didn't work at a big hagwon so I didn't have any Westerners forced upon me by proximity.


I agree. I work in 3 public schools in a small "rural/up-and-coming city." There are now beginning this month 22 native english teachers including hagwon teachers. Most of the older crowd are the hagwon teachers.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razorhideki wrote:
OP: Forget what some have said here...if you're over 40, it's EXTREMELY difficult to get a teaching gig in Japan. Even if you do, it'll likely be a non-JET gig where you'll a) need 5 grand just to get set up b) make 250,000/mo., at best c) be worked to the point of exhaustion.
Excuse me, but do you think a person younger than 40 makes more money and is not worked to that point? If so, that's a very inaccurate way to portray jobs here.

Non-JET gigs are not such tough experiences all the time (no matter what your age). Eikaiwa, ALT dispatch, business English schools.

Most entry level work here (age independent) starts at around that salary on average (which means some are higher).
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ShioriEigoKyoushi



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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razorhideki



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski: All I was suggesting was that the majority of non-JET jobs have gone to crap in the last 15 years-regardless of your age. And if you're over 40, it'll be tough, starting out, to get even those gigs.
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pnksweater



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have teaching credentials of some sort and 6 years experience? If you're willing to work with kids you might look into some of the "international" kindergartens. Most of the kids are Japanese, but English is the language of instruction. They require you to have a teaching background and experience with little kids. They pretty much hire only women, too. Real international schools might be happy to have you too, especially since you have experience teaching an actual subject (as opposed to conversation classes or business English). The pay is above average, and with international schools housing is often provided/arranged for you. I can not say how age will affect you in your applications. Most EFL teachers here are young. But I have met older individuals as well. Good luck!
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really varies, the age thing. Most of the people in uni make me feel young, and I'm close to 50!

As to JET, unless the policy has changed, some JETs were in their 30s (my friend was one of them) when they started!
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flyer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point taken, it does get harder as you get older but there are still plenty of companies that hire over 40 and even over 50. So if you are willing to take the chance there are jobs! But no one can tell you exactly "yes" or "no"! Its very much a school by school (or BOE / company) thing

I should add, that I think some places prefer a more mature teacher (??)
I know my BOE does!
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should add, that I think some places prefer a more mature teacher (??)


Thanks Flyer, I keep telling my wife that, but she doesn't believe I have matured by Japanese standards yet. Cool

Just wondering, does that mean I have to continue wearing a tie?
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Wonder83



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im 26 does this mean Im over the hill???? will I be babysitting all the young ones on my training course for Peppys??? Say it isnt sooooooooooooooooo I want some pals at least my age Confused

Oh well maybe it means I dont have to act my grand old age of 26 going on 27 Crying or Very sad

Any1 out there at least my age going to work for Peppys??????? Laughing
Laughing Shocked
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Imseriouslylost



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder83 wrote:
Im 26 does this mean Im over the hill???? will I be babysitting all the young ones on my training course for Peppys??? Say it isnt sooooooooooooooooo I want some pals at least my age Confused

Oh well maybe it means I dont have to act my grand old age of 26 going on 27 Crying or Very sad

Any1 out there at least my age going to work for Peppys??????? Laughing
Laughing Shocked


It is definitely the way with ALTs. It seems that most of the ALTs I've met so far in my company and in other companies are always 22-23 with the odd 25+ sparkled in. Everyone does it for one year, post-graduation and then returns to the US (another thing--what is with the overabundance of Americans any why don't any stay for more than a year?!) I've only heard of one ALT working for my company that is above 30 and they don't seem to be focusing on hiring younger people.

I think the general idea in Japan is to spend a year or two doing ALT/Eikaiwa and then migrating to something better! I don't think you'll be the oldest at 26, though. I think Eikaiwa workers are more varied from what I've heard.
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lenoreelux



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:
Wonder83 wrote:
Im 26 does this mean Im over the hill???? will I be babysitting all the young ones on my training course for Peppys??? Say it isnt sooooooooooooooooo I want some pals at least my age Confused

Oh well maybe it means I dont have to act my grand old age of 26 going on 27 Crying or Very sad

Any1 out there at least my age going to work for Peppys??????? Laughing
Laughing Shocked


It is definitely the way with ALTs. It seems that most of the ALTs I've met so far in my company and in other companies are always 22-23 with the odd 25+ sparkled in. Everyone does it for one year, post-graduation and then returns to the US (another thing--what is with the overabundance of Americans any why don't any stay for more than a year?!) I've only heard of one ALT working for my company that is above 30 and they don't seem to be focusing on hiring younger people.

I think the general idea in Japan is to spend a year or two doing ALT/Eikaiwa and then migrating to something better! I don't think you'll be the oldest at 26, though. I think Eikaiwa workers are more varied from what I've heard.


I am older than you and I am starting my job as an ALT in April. I am planning to stay longer than a year. I want to become fluent in Japanese (as fluent as a gaijin can get Razz). It is hard to do that with only a year. I also want to apply as universities in Japan to get my MA and see what happens from there.
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