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Jayray



Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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Location: Back East

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc81 wrote:
Jayray wrote:


It just seems like you're blacklisted countrywide.



So are we agreeing that a complete China ban is possible?

At first you said that it is probably just a recruiter blacklist.



Please reread the post. For your convenience, I rewrote "seems" in bold to emphasize it. I am trying to tell the OP that he perceives it as a countrywide ban, but it is probably a misperception. (Thus "just seems", meaning, "it only appears to be").

Other participants in the forum have posted links to either SAFEA or the Ministry of Education recently which appear to list names of foreign teachers and their transgressions. I am unsure if that is a black list or a report or a guideline.

I have no empirical data upon which to base the following opinion: if a school makes too many complaints against its foreign teachers, it would open itself up to scrutiny. No school wants that to happen.

It has been stated numerous times on this forum that some FAOs and school administrators are complicit in hiring unqualified teachers. If this is true, then it seems that the system for screening teachers is broken or nonexistent.

I have a lot of sympathy for Mat. I have experienced similar discomfort after having found out that I was working with and for unreliable and incompetent people whose morals and scruples were highly questionable. My only advice is for him to accept whatever amends the school tries to make, but to make plans to bug out ASAP when his contract with the crummy school ends.
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mat chen



Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree sinobear. My problem stems from complaining about not being paid everything at the end of the contract. I have a good reference letter from the school. Xiangtan university would not give me the letter to get a travelling visa from the PSB. I needed this for the job I am doing now in Shanghai. My present school told me the PSB will not issue a Z visa because I am a trouble maker. In Xiangtan the PSB said to come a few days before the old contract expires and they would extend my visa. They then balked. I ran like hell when I saw other teachers being deported for complaining about not being paid. I left cloths and about 100 teaching books and came to Shanghai hoping to get the visa extended here. No one would help me including the school I am at now. I had to have money sent to my consolate in SHanghai. This caused me to overstay. During this time I kept in touch with the PSB. I recieved a phone call on my cellular telling me everything could be settled for 9,000 rmb. I never used my phone in their office so Xiangtan had given them the number. I went to Hong Kong and then returned to my wife's
home town Pingxiang. I had the tourists visa extended a month there and the PSB explained what I needed to do. I returned to Hong Kong with a letter stating that I was delayed because my wife's daughter needed hospitalation. This was true. I didn't mention the non payment of salary. They said everything would be OK.
So there are ways of watching you no matter where you are in China.
The cellular phone is the best tracking device.
I understand lieing to the recruiter about your salary but why would Xiantan university lie to the police about what I was making.
SI know everyone says why did you go there? I went there because it is close to my wife's hometown in Jiangxi.
I am hoping for the best but my present school says they will pay the ballance of my salary when I present them with airline ticket. I have another week of teaching here and by May 5 I must be out of the country.
I noticed while at the PSB here in Shanghai a business man negotiating an overstay. He was adament and the policeman first said 5 days to get out of the country. This was then changed to 10 days and they both moved away from each other and started talking on their cell phones. Things then turned in the business mans favor. He was granted a visa.
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Voldermort



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are married then you qualify for a spousal visa. A 6 month tourist visa if you apply outside of your wifes hometown or a 12 month visa if she does it for you in her hometown. When I say 'hometown' I actually mean the city in which her Hukou (family booklet) is registered.

Sort your visa out first then try pushing your former school to pay up.
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rc81



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
Posts: 85

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voldermort wrote:
If you are married then you qualify for a spousal visa. A 6 month tourist visa if you apply outside of your wifes hometown or a 12 month visa if she does it for you in her hometown. When I say 'hometown' I actually mean the city in which her Hukou (family booklet) is registered.

Sort your visa out first then try pushing your former school to pay up.


can you work with a spousal visa?
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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can you work with a spousal visa?



Not legally - it is basically an extended tourist visa.
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rc81



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike w wrote:
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can you work with a spousal visa?



Not legally - it is basically an extended tourist visa.


are there any working advantages to marrying a chinese?
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None at all. Theoretically if you are married for five years and live in China during those years, you can apply for permanent residence, but obtaining permanent residence is not common.

China is not big on extending any grand privileges to spouses of citizens. You would almost get the impression that foreigners are not entirely welcome to stay in China long-term.
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mat chen



Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for your support. I have found out today that the police have no record of me whatsoever. It is my present employer who is lying to me. She is trying to get me out of here. I went to the PSB with reference letters from all my jobs in China. They said there is no problem and nothing is on their computers. I have a contract but no residence permit. I will do this myself. The contract has been breached but this puts everything in my favor. They will have to pay a penalty if they want me out of here. They are the ones who must arrange my visa not me.
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Voldermort



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat chen wrote:
Thank you everyone for your support. I have found out today that the police have no record of me whatsoever. It is my present employer who is lying to me. She is trying to get me out of here. I went to the PSB with reference letters from all my jobs in China. They said there is no problem and nothing is on their computers. I have a contract but no residence permit. I will do this myself. The contract has been breached but this puts everything in my favor. They will have to pay a penalty if they want me out of here. They are the ones who mu