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wojbrian
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| If you don't have a job on arrival, there is a good chance you'll have to do a visa run to a non-Schengen country to restart your 90-days (I did). |
I may be wrong but from what I understand this is not the way this works anymore. Since Poland is in Schengen the laws have changed.
The paperwork isn't all that hard for the school. To be honest its a myth about all the paperwork. They just have to send an offer of work so you can get a work permit. Also they might need to fill out some information on your earnings.
The hard part is the paperwork you have to fill out. I have a binder of my info and its filled, 3 copies of everything and it's all in Polish! |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads up on the prices in Poland. |
Sharter is famous on this forum for being able to blow through insane amounts of money in very short periods of time. He must really know how to live it up.
300zl a day is if you start partying a lot.
In Warsaw (one of the more expensive Polish cities) a meal in a cheaper restaurant will set you back 10-20 zl. Beer is 8 normally and 10+ in nightclubs. A one day transport pass (including all public transportation) is 9zl. I spent 30zl a night for a bunk in a hostel last August.
Taking trains isn't going to break the bank either.
So I think 150zl a day would be more than adequate. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: All over the place
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: Hoho |
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| I live like an adult when I travel. I've lived in Poznan, Warsaw and Bydgoszcz. I can't live like a cheapskate. |
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wojbrian
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think that's above and beyond what most people spend.
However, knowing the price of jeans in Poland, I can see it at times.  |
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maniak
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Dude why do you want to come to Poland? This is a fucked up country that will chew you up and spit you out if you dont know what youre doing 110% of the time. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Dude why do you want to come to Poland? This is a fucked up country that will chew you up and spit you out if you dont know what youre doing 110% of the time. |
You're just pissed you have to pay ZUS. I saw your other thread.
Poland certainly isn't the easiest country for an American to start an English teaching career.
Demanding students + Bueracratic/paperwork headache + Obscenely difficult language = Poland isn't for the faint of heart. |
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JLL
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Hoho |
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| sharter wrote: |
| I live like an adult when I travel. I've lived in Poznan, Warsaw and Bydgoszcz. I can't live like a cheapskate. |
I'm an adult and I can live like a cheapskate 
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| Poland certainly isn't the easiest country for an American to start an English teaching career [...] Poland isn't for the faint of heart. |
Well I did teach in Japan for a few years, and have traveled two years straight in countries where most didn't speak English; my attitude is more one of being curious as to what it's like. As bad as it is it would only be a year. Satisfying my curiosity about Poland is worth it.
But Poland is really shorthand in my mind for "Eastern/Central Europe"... I'd actually like to see a list of different countries in the area where I might support myself for a couple months on not too much money and might reasonably find a job. |
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wojbrian
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I found my stay to be very enjoyable. There will be BS no matter where you go. I found the people to be very nice and helpful. In the part of the country I lived people really enjoyed life. Contrary to what I heard People smiled often.  |
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JLL
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| There will be BS no matter where you go. |
Indeed. But with the right attitude even the BS can be a part of the learning experience. (How does their BS compare/contrast with our BS? etc ) |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Location: NYC/Warszawa
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Cost of supporting myself until I get a job? |
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| Master Shake wrote: |
What a question! It's like asking how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie pop.
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hahahaha.. I seriously LOLed hahaha.. thnx! Such a vivid image of that fricken owl... by the way, yer in Warsaw now ain't ya? We should get together for some cold ones. |
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Master Shake
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We will, Blasphemer. I'm finishing DELTA this week so I'll finally have some free time to swill some suds.  Will PM you.
JLL, sounds like you're got the right attitude for what you'll be getting into in Poland. You'll probably find a job here as well, but it may take a bit of looking. I wasn't trying to put you off, honest. |
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maniak
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: |
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You're just pissed you have to pay ZUS. I saw your other thread.
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Thats just the tip of the iceberg shakes... ZUS or no ZUS, life in Poland is very stressful, frustrating, downright maddening. I dont know your situation so I am not judging you, but once you start dealing with REAL Poland, outside of that protective bubble ESL teachers live in, Im talking about real illness in Polish hospitals, or death, opening a business, buying property, or just fixing your car at the dealer, and how god damn expensive everything really is, plus add the weather, the gritty com blocs, bums and alcoholics all around you, the roads/traffic... |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Location: NYC/Warszawa
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Master Shake wrote: |
You're just pissed you have to pay ZUS. I saw your other thread.
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Thats just the tip of the iceberg shakes... ZUS or no ZUS, life in Poland is very stressful, frustrating, downright maddening. I dont know your situation so I am not judging you, but once you start dealing with REAL Poland, outside of that protective bubble ESL teachers live in, Im talking about real illness in Polish hospitals, or death, opening a business, buying property, or just fixing your car at the dealer, and how god damn expensive everything really is, plus add the weather, the gritty com blocs, bums and alcoholics all around you, the roads/traffic... |
sorry man, but it's really not that bad, I got two kids, both of them been really sick, my son had stitches put in on his head just a month ago, I've been sick too... all of that without ever using private care, all through the public healthcare and I really can't complain. It's been well over a year for me and I'm starting to think that it's not all just dumb luck. I've looked into opening up a business, as a matter of fact I'm in the process and let me just tell you that it's also not that much of a hassle. Buying property is not much different from the process in the US [I've worked for a title agency in the states] the blocks are not that bad, I've gotten used to them and find them pretty convenient actually. Made friends with the neighbors [you'd be surprised what positive attitude and things like helping someone out with carrying groceries to their door can do for your neighborly relations]. Alcoholics are everywhere, in the states you also get the meth and crack heads along with gangs, shootings, and not to mention [although I will] the ever present big brother. Police which is breathing down your neck everywhere you go, plus great things like - Loitering or Trespassing... I mean we could really exchange things here for a minute... it really sounds to me man like you should improve your life by relocating. When I'm miserable to that degree I do things to change it... hence my move. Ever country's got it's ups and down, I'm enjoying certain freedoms here that I've forgotten about while living in the states - like no curfew for example. Or not having to worry about my kids going to school with metal detectors, dogs and armed police officers. You know... things that you simply don't put a second thought to here. I'm not even talking here about cities like NY or LA...
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scottie1113
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: Gdansk
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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You're just pissed you have to pay ZUS. I saw your other thread.
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Thats just the tip of the iceberg shakes... ZUS or no ZUS, life in Poland is very stressful, frustrating, downright maddening. I dont know your situation so I am not judging you, but once you start dealing with REAL Poland, outside of that protective bubble ESL teachers live in, Im talking about real illness in Polish hospitals, or death, opening a business, buying property, or just fixing your car at the dealer, and how god damn expensive everything really is, plus add the weather, the gritty com blocs, bums and alcoholics all around you, the roads/traffic... |
I don't pay ZUS, only taxes, because I live in the protective bubble of the ESL teachers world, so I wouldn't know anything about all the rest of the things you mentioned, and I've certainly never experienced the REAL Poland. But then, I've only been here for three years, so it's still utopia to me, and the roads, traffic and weather are like Shangri-La, especially compared to San Diego.
Gritty commie blocs? I live in one, built circa 1960. I'm in the process of buying it. Same process as in the US. What's so difficult about it?
Having your car fixed? Easy peasy. Do you have difficulty buying toilet paper at Rossmann?
But because I pay for private medical insurance I honestly don't have any experience with the Polish medical system other than through stories from my Polish friends and students.
Every time I read these these pissing and moaning posts I wonder why the hell you stay here. Are you a masochist, or just a chronic complainer? If it's so stressful, frustrating (defined as the gap between expectation and reality), and maddening, just leave. It's that simple. Or live with it and STFU. |
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sparks
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Good days and bad days can be had by all. I understand what maniak is getting at though. Hitting the button to make that 800 zl ZUS transfer every month does put a damper on one's mood. It also always makes me think about what exactly I'm paying for. I personally wouldn't trust Polish doctors to put a Band-Aid on a cut. The procedures used in even the best public hospitals in Warsaw were used in the States in the 1970's. I know this from comparing experiences and friends' experiences with family who work in healthcare back home. Things like coming to the hospital at least a day early for even minor surgery, mandatory hospital stays, despite patient condition, wrapping someone's legs for any surgery to avoid blood clots, messy, careless stitching jobs etc, etc.
As for paying tax... If you have a car you quickly realize that the roads are in deplorable shape, roads in the center of the capital with foot-deep potholes, "expressways" which use traffic lights instead of on/off ramps.
At first it's fun comparing and contrasting the little differences, but in the long run, I don't think I'd like to grow old here. |
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