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ang_nic
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while i have seen the age requirements posted on many job listings...i do agree that it is feasible for schools to get around it.
i was 23 when i applied for a job in indonesia, and was accepted for the job with no question raised about my age. i was unaware of the age requirement at the time, and after seeing it listed on many other job postings for indonesia i did think "that's odd..."
but yeah...just wanted to give my input that it is possible to get around it...quite easily i believe. |
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Schottin
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That's interesting! I didn't know that either.
I have already done a number of interviews although it clearly states on my cover letter that I am 24. Does that mean the schools haven't noticed, don't care or that 24 is close enough to not be a problem? |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Schottin wrote: |
| I have already done a number of interviews although it clearly states on my cover letter that I am 24. Does that mean the schools haven't noticed, don't care or that 24 is close enough to not be a problem? |
That's quite possible. One school I was working for in Indonesia hired a 19yo from Canada. They didn't realize until she had already arrived that she was too young to get the visa. She ended up having to work illegally and had to stay out of sight during Ramadan, which is when officials routinely go around and see how much money they can get from everyone.
My advice???
Don't mention it until you actually receive a job offer from someone. Once you receive a job offer you might want to point out your age and confirm with them that it won't be a problem.
GoodLuck!!  |
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chezal
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It's been over 26 for a long time. Saying that I worked in Indonesia from the age of 22 (first job being at EF mind in 2004). However even in the 2 other places I worked this never seemed to be a problem considering that for the 4 years I worked there I was always under 26 when I applied for a KITAS.
There are ways around the age problem just depends if you'll employer will do that. |
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malu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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In Indonesia there is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to a question like 'What is the minimum age to get a teaching work visa?'
Those seeking legal certainty will be disappointed, as will those who learn how someone else had the rules bent and expect the same treatment. |
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jondeg
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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does anyone know of a specific law that states that teachers have to be between 25-55 or is this another indonesian urban myth?
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Can't give you the law number off hand but I have seen it. The rules for teachers are different and the age limits of 25-60 do exist. Specifically for English native speaker teachers the applicant additionally has to hold an Aus/Can/NZ/UK/US passport. |
age up to 60? that's not true. I went to Depnaker website, and none was mention age limit up to 60 years old. I asked one of my advocate friend, and he said , the age limit is depend on the school/company rule, and however never seen such rule at UU ketenagakerjaan. Below are the link to departmen of education.
http://luk.staff.ugm.ac.id/atur/Permen66-2009.pdf |
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MrWright
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Does this requirement also apply to international schools? And does it only apply to the initial hiring or when you turn 60, you get the boot, even if you worked at that school for ages? |
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Zorobabel
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| I'm curious about the upper age limit as well. My mother is considering coming over and working in an international school, but she is currently 59. Does anyone know of any teachers in international schools over the age of 60? |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Zorobabel wrote: |
| I'm curious about the upper age limit as well. My mother is considering coming over and working in an international school, but she is currently 59. Does anyone know of any teachers in international schools over the age of 60? |
In Malaysia, I am told by the owner of an international school that he cannot get a work permit (visa) for a foreigner over the age of 60. So, yeah, there are age limits. But knowing Malaysia, rules are not always followed. Still, this owner has connections with the Education Ministry, so if he cannot get past this requirement, there are probably few who can.
I do know a Malaysian who is over 60 and still teaching. He is on an annual contract basis as I am also. The national retirement age ranges between 56 and 60 for all professions. |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| KayuJati wrote: |
| Zorobabel wrote: |
| I'm curious about the upper age limit as well. My mother is considering coming over and working in an international school, but she is currently 59. Does anyone know of any teachers in international schools over the age of 60? |
In Malaysia, I am told by the owner of an international school that he cannot get a work permit (visa) for a foreigner over the age of 60. So, yeah, there are age limits. But knowing Malaysia, rules are not always followed. Still, this owner has connections with the Education Ministry, so if he cannot get past this requirement, there are probably few who can.
I do know a Malaysian who is over 60 and still teaching. He is on an annual contract basis as I am also. The national retirement age ranges between 56 and 60 for all professions. |
Well, in my experience, it's usually the better (international) schools that can have more problems getting things 'done'(they are usually looked at more closely by the powers that be, so they have less wiggle room).
It's often the low-level local schools that have an easier time pulling under-the-table stunts. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I am over 60, and I haven't had a problem getting a work permit in Malaysia. |
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travelNteach
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there arent any age requirements. it is strictly a school thing.
mr. lucky, how long were u in indonesia? 6 months? |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| travelNteach wrote: |
there arent any age requirements. it is strictly a school thing.
mr. lucky, how long were u in indonesia? 6 months? |
About a year and a half. I was only working for about a year of that time though. Why, are you writing a book?
So, if there's no age limit at all, are you saying that a KITAS can be given to anyone of any age?? So a 5 year old can be given a KITAS?? I don't buy it, I would assume there's definitely a legal age limit and some schools can get around it easier than others. Just my guess, as I've NEVER seen any actual paperwork regarding the subject... |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| I am over 60, and I haven't had a problem getting a work permit in Malaysia. |
You need a Malaysian work permit for living in Berkeley??
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
Well, in my experience, it's usually the better (international) schools that can have more problems getting things 'done'(they are usually looked at more closely by the powers that be, so they have less wiggle room).
It's often the low-level local schools that have an easier time pulling under-the-table stunts. |
Yes, like I said, the rules in Malaysia are not always followed. There is a ruling that a foreigner cannot work at a given place more than 10 years, and I know people who have had to move to new schools because of this ruling. But, my school just renewed me for Year 11, so, like I said....
We inform people of potential problems, e.g. age requirements, so that they can be fore-warned. That some of us, anecdotally, have not been stopped by those requirements doesn't negate the importance of informing people.
But this is the Indonesian forum, so, yeah if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. |
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