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Is 2 yrs teaching exp needed to teach in a Chinese uni?
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empiler1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
I have first-hand knowledge of many teachers who did not have two years experience and got jobs. If your prospective employer


I'm more interested in the general requirement, for example what counts as relevant experience? I have plenty of years experience in related and unrelated fields. If this job doesn't work I want to have some idea where I stand with others. But it doesn't seem to be stated formally anywhere I can find.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go ahead and spin! I'm not saying you should lie, but if you have experience, use it!
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Halapo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To work legally you need a work visa, a residents permit and a Foreign Expert Certificate.

It is easier to get the work Visa with a degree. I had 3 years experience when I started, and got a work visa without a degree.

To get your "Foreign Experts Certificate" you need 2 years experience. You don't need a degree for that part however.

To get a job you need to get them to hire you. You boss might not want you to work legally.

Oh and lastly, you just have to claim to have the experience, there is pretty good odd that nobody in customs, the education department, the university or if you use a recruiter, will ever check. I call my contacts and asked if they every got a call or email from any of the jobs I applied to. Nobody, not even the guys who hired me checked.
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empiler1



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halapo wrote:

To get a job you need to get them to hire you. You boss might not want you to work legally.

I reckon! I've turned down several jobs because they wanted me to work illegally. Like using a business visa with an invitation letter from a company in another province, or on a tourist visa and they'd promise to upgrade it after I started. Dodgy as.

Do you happen to know if the 2 years experience has to be 'relevant', and if so what counts as relevant? I seem to have got through OK with >2-years non-teaching experience. But it'd be handy to know the actual rules anyway.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The schools are looking for TEACHING experience. Since it is so close to the first day of school, some schools may be willing to bypass that requirement.

The girls get prettier at closing time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
The schools are looking for TEACHING experience.


Nobody seems to quite grasp what I'm trying to find out. Which is what the government's rules on work experience are.
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xiaolongbaolaoxi



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Grasp this Reply with quote

You need to grasp that any answer given by anyone here at any time could be totally invalid all the time for everyone in every city at all times thirty minutes away from whoever gives you a specific, clear, and timely answer.

This is not an issue of slight variances; what one official wants on one day may not be what s/he wants tomorrow or is the exact opposite of someone in the same position in another city/province wants.

You time it right=the school has noone lined up and classes start soon, requirements may drop like flies [people do line up ok jobs before graduation with not even pizza delivery experience]. You time it wrong or enter into a negotiation (without even realizing that is what is occurring), every requirement will be cited to you with no basis in reality.

They can't give you the job if you don't apply. They can't say no if you don't apply. Apply and figure it out. Uni classes start in fivish weeks. Requirements and expectations will perhaps soften. However, the likelihood of clear, direct answers that are linked to reality may be tempered by the proximity of deadlines.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Grasp this Reply with quote

xiaolongbaolaoxi wrote:

This is not an issue of slight variances; what one official wants on one day may not be what s/he wants tomorrow or is the exact opposite of someone in the same position in another city/province wants.


Ah, perhaps that's why even the govt and embassy websites don't seem to have that information. I knew it was a bit variable, but I somehow thought there was at least an official national policy - perhaps stricter than what's usually implemented.

I'm only talking here about the government, not any school. Plenty of schools are keen to hire me, but they might not be allowed to. I've already got one which says they've applied for the papers and they'll courier them to me this week, but I'm not holding my breath Razz

It would be great if this kind of information (officially correct process, not dodgy local ways or anything to do with schools), was readily available. That'd help to identify if the place you're applying to is legit or not. For example in a previous instance I used an agency who said they need my medical test form to apply for the foreign expert certificate. I went along with it then they changed their mind. If I'd known that wasn't required I could have saved a lot of delay.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

empiler1 wrote:

I'm more interested in the general requirement, for example what counts as relevant experience? I have plenty of years experience in related and unrelated fields. If this job doesn't work I want to have some idea where I stand with others. But it doesn't seem to be stated formally anywhere I can find.


The job that you seek is a teaching position. You asked what kind of experience is required. If you were to advertise for an English teacher for your own school, what sort of experience would YOU require of a candidate? Two years experience working as a cab driver?

Most times, schools will accept teaching experience in any area if the position is for an English teacher.

Requisite experience and native knowledge and use of English can be waived.

Again: the girls get prettier at closing time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:

experience is required. If you were to advertise for an English teacher for your own school, what sort of experience would YOU require of a candidate? Two years experience working as a cab driver?


As I said several times I'm wanting to know what the government's rules are, not schools. I've talked to several schools and they say they want to hire me but they're bound by the government's decision - which they sometimes say they can get an easy deal on because the know the local guy or whatever.

There certainly are some hard and fast rules as well as flexible ones like:
Do you need a visa to get into the country? - Yes
Are you breaking the law if you work without the proper documents? - Yes
Are you allowed to work there for more than 6 months if you have HIV? - No
Do all foreign workers (in any field) officially need 2 years experience? - I heard yes, but not from any reliable source.
Does that experience have to be relevant to their job? - I suspect not, but I'd like to know. Again, this assumes your employer wants to hire you and they're already happy with your work history. I'm not interested in that part because employers tell me when I apply.

But nevermind, I realize immigration rules are horribly unpredictable for many countries, including my own. I think we require 2 years experience for foreign workers even if the employer doesn't care.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: Grasp this Reply with quote

empiler1 wrote:

It would be great if this kind of information (officially correct process, not dodgy local ways or anything to do with schools), was readily available. That'd help to identify if the place you're applying to is legit or not. For example in a previous instance I used an agency who said they need my medical test form to apply for the foreign expert certificate. I went along with it then they changed their mind. If I'd known that wasn't required I could have saved a lot of delay.


Information posted on Chinese consulates' websites is general information. The agency/entity which determines its needs is the employer. A mechanical engineering company may need an employee with five years experience. That may be required in MECHANICAL ENGINEERING.

In a perfect world, Chinese schools would attract and hire people with actual college degrees, the desired two years of teaching experience, as well as native speakers of English. The unspoken preference for white faces would be met as well. I've known foreign teachers who did not meet any of those criteria.

Again, the girls get prettier at closing time.

It isn't surprising that one of your prospective employers would drop the pre-hiring medical check. Somebody didn't think that one through. Recruiters and schools have probably been hearing from recruits that one can't just walk into any hospital or medical clinic and get a physical on-demand in many cities. Worse, it can't always be done cheaply. At my local public health department, just the requisite blood work required by the form which I was sent ( HIV Ab [I+II], RPR/TPHA, HAV-IgM, HbsAg, HcV-Ab, and SPGT ) cost about $800.00. That didn't include the Xray or the ECG. The public health department can't do the SPGT. I had to go elsewhere for that too.

You'll get a lot of different answers from different people who work in different parts of China. Those who are already there and who have not had to go through the current hiring process may not even know what is required.

The answer that applies to the **MOST** working situations in China is that in order to work in China, one must have a current residence permit. How one obtains that varies.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the city in many cases. Suzhou recently changed the requirements needed to get the FEC. You now need a degree, a TESOL/TEFL and 2 years experience. What you need to find out is the requirements in the city you plan to go to.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babala wrote:
It depends on the city in many cases. Suzhou recently changed the requirements needed to get the FEC. You now need a degree, a TESOL/TEFL and 2 years experience. What you need to find out is the requirements in the city you plan to go to.


What was the change? Was it the province's demand for TESOL IN ADDITION to the degree(s)? I heard from a recruiter that some sort of change went into effect sometime after March 2010 but wasn't given a clear answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was recently told by a recruiter that no TEFL cert., no problem. Less than 2 yrs. teaching experience, no problem. Even if they are a problem, I imagine it's extremely easy for the recruiter or the school to fake them. All they have to do is change or add a line or two on your resume.

The problem would be more likely if you are less than 25 years old, at which point it's harder for them to fake the two years of experience for you because your graduation date makes it obvious that you don't have the post-university experience.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

empiler1 wrote:
Miles Smiles wrote:
The schools are looking for TEACHING experience.


Nobody seems to quite grasp what I'm trying to find out. Which is what the government's rules on work experience are.


You have to understand that in China that some of the rules/laws are made for the sake of appearances and are not really followed. For example, prostitution is illegal but in many cities brothels are ubiquitous and extremely easy to spot - clearly no one really cares that much. The two year work experience rule is another such rule. I worked in a Chinese public college last year with no experience and will work in a different school next year with 1 year of experience. I had legit Z-visa/residence permit/expert certificate etc. China isn't the place to be a stickler about laws and rules.
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