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lithium



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikeologist, thanks for your views. It isn't an EF contract.

I've declined the offer because I dont want to risk having to work 4 hours in the morning and another 4 in the evening. It seems totally possible with the way the contract is worded.

The contract states that the accommodation would be no more than 30mins away from the school but it could of course be closer.

I'm under the impression that universities require teachers with experience. I'm totally new to teaching so it's going to have to be a language mill.
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xiaolongbaolaoxi



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:47 pm    Post subject: Split shifts Reply with quote

Split shifts could occur with any kind of employer. Language mills are apparently more likely to give this to you, but in my experience, that was not true, for the sheer fact that the mills who focus on children really can't offer classes when the kids re supposed to in school already. So, afternoon and evening classes, but not many split classes. The weekends had more of a chance to have split shifts, but for sheer "get 'em in the door," they are trying to get as many people in each class as possible.

I do not agree that you have to have two years' experience to teach in universities. Yes, it's desirable, but not all rules are rules. Many university ads that I saw in one city required master's degrees. There aren't that many people out there who have a teaching background, a master's degree, and have already worked x amount of years in China. But, they will post the requirement and see what they can get. If you are resigned to mills, and you have the time, you might as well search/shop around for the right one instead of jumping at something that gets you to China.

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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
vikeologist, thanks for your views. It isn't an EF contract.


I'm under the impression that universities require teachers with experience. I'm totally new to teaching so it's going to have to be a language mill.



Not true.
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maotouying



Joined: 16 May 2005
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Location: My Chair In China

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikeologist wrote:
OP - You're only being given one side of the discussion. I'm not completely on the other side myself, and I've got nothing to say that hasn't been said a hundred times on this forum, but here goes.

It's a standard training school contract of the EF kind. It either is EF or they've lifted it word for word. My contract for the first year in China was pretty much identical and I didn't work the maximum hours. For instance in the winter peak period we had 2 weeks of the winter course (either side of Chinese New Year) rather than 2 months of peak working. My normal hours were very reasonable. Some of what folk call 'language mills' are ok, though probably not many.

Some mills will pay more, Web for instance. Uni jobs are a little less money and a lot less hours. Perhaps you should try for one of those jobs, and perhaps language mills aren't the way for you to go.

However, I repeat, this is a typical EF contract, (or at least part of it). The posters who are frothing at the mouth and suggesting that someone has tried to sell you into (presumably since you were offered a job) white slavery are not necessarily right about everything.

That said, 30 minutes away would be too far, and they are absolutely correct in indicating that many teachers make far more per hour.

Also,, correct me if I'm wrong. This isn't an EF school, because you're not sure whether they're legit, so that means that they have nicked the EF contract, which is not only a bit cheeky, but suggests that they can't write their own. However, though the contract is important, you shouldn't be basing your decision on it or the postings on this forum.


Please don't "quote me" on this. BUT...

I heard in the likes of EF ect. you work about 20 hours class room. and about 20 hours dead time for office PR PHOTO OPS type work. In other words like 20 hours of let us "babysit" you in your free time.
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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That may be true in some EF schools. generally speaking this was my schedule. 8 to 6 at the weekend, both days had 6 real hours of teaching, 2 hours first thing then a couple of hours off ,(which was good for lunching) and then 2 sets of 2 hour lessons in the afternoon. Also had a class on a Friday evening. Other than that was in the school for 4 hours Weds-Fri. Sometimes had lessons during that time and sometimes had classess off site as things came and went during the year, but for the most part no split shifts, and no sitting around in the school twiddling my thumbs. On average, off-peak, I taught for 14 real hours a week and was in the school another 16-18 most of which was spent lesson planning, (and often eating or doing placement tests.) It was a managable workload, and on the same kind of contract as the OP showed.

The need for exerience for teaching in universities seems to vary from province to province. I can see some advantages at startng off at the right language mill rather than a Uni. Again, you need to be clear with yourself what you want; social life, working with children etc. There will be jobs available that suit you, with a wee bit of patience.
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