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gingermeggs · Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 162

Respect has to be earned...it doesn't come with the package. You must first respect your elders...especially in China...then you should also respect yourself.....you should also respect your colleagues (if they deserve it, of course) A lot of your posts here don't show much respect..either for yourself or your readers....bad spelling and grammar shows disrespect for your readers..saying you are too lazy to fix the problem, shows disrespect for yourself.

If you were a member of Parliament...the Right Honorable Lanza-Harmonica...then you would automatically expect the peasants to respect you.....you would not necessarily have earned that respect.
However, you are not,....you are a mere teacher in a foreign land, and you better start to EARN your respect. A white face doesn't cut it!!

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124

Nothing's up with me; you said you were a "fully qualified teacher". Sorry to disillusion you ducky but to get fully qualified teacher status you need to do a three or four year degree course, followed by a teacher training course and then a year or two probationary teaching.
What you are is an unqualified high school leaver whose taken a short EFL vocational training course and has problems telling, or even seeing, the truth. You're probably getting the respect you deserve.

Lanza-Armonia · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject:

Bite me, mr high-and-bruce mighty!

<Come on guys, back me up!!!>

LA (Lick my Arse)

sidjameson · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka

LA if you're a qualified teacher then I'm a sexist good for nothing free loader, floating around Asia looking for the easy lay.

Oh hang on a minute......

woza17 · Joined: 25 May 2003 Posts: 602 Location: china

Now lanza, ginger has a point, I never taught my son to respect his elders, just because they were old. But I did teach him to respect wisdom or people saying something sensible and behaving like that, if you catch my drift. Wisdom doesn't necessarily comes with age. I listen to everyone, but it must be backed up by action and that's what I concentrate on the most. Words are cheap. Action speaks louder than words and so on.
Now my first reply to your post was pointing out that this person got angry and frustrated and used racist language. You also say that you can't be bothered using proper grammar I undertand that I am sure in the classroom you do but this is an internet thing and we should be allowed to be a bit free.. Now my point is well, I don't have one really

Lanza-Armonia · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject:

Aa....mmmmmm.....thanks Woza.....(me tinks!!!)

LA

Canuck2112 · Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 239

LOL!

lagerlout2006 · Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 985

LA---Don't take it too seriously. A lot of Asians say all the right things to you-they bow and so on but you really don't know what they think. Maybe they are not dissing you...Just concentrate on your strengths.. You speak a couple of languages (maybe more) and have been to more countries than most. (Chinese at least.)

We can only help those who want to learn..Hope that helped.

Lagerlout is logging out.

Lanza-Armonia · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject:

Thanks Largy!

Next round's on my. I'm taking orders....

LA

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia

Mouse · Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 208

I agree with Stephen Jones. Many people (not me, incidentally) work very hard to attain "fully qualified teacher" status. Canuck2112 quite rightly says that there are qualified people who cannot (or do not) teach especially well, but I would argue that the percentage in that camp is likely to be smaller than in the unqualified camp. And regardless, neither a CELTA nor a little bit of experience makes a complete teacher (especially without a degree).

Oh, and addressing the OP, the closest I've had to a lack of respect in classes is students telling me they "think of me as their brother", which I have no problems with (I'm 26). Having travelled a lot and being a patronising git probably helps to convey the impression that I'm older than I am.

denise · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish

I confess that I would be a little bit skeptical if I walked into a classroom and saw an 18-year-old teacher. I would worry that he/she didn't have either the life experience, education, or maturity necessary for the job. If you've got those three things, LA, then your students should hopefully come to see them and respect you. Other posters have suggested dressing professionally. I'd also suggest acting professionally, as in operating from a teacher/student position instead of a peer position.

I was 23 when I started teaching. Some of my students were individual business students. I remember being warned about them in my TEFL course: sometimes head-honcho CEOs who think they know everything about everything don't fully trust young fresh-out-of-school (although I wasn't...) kids. I just always made sure I was well-prepared and knew my stuff: knew the grammar and how to explain it, gave examples, asked them for examples, etc. As one of my TEFL teachers put it, they may have been experts in whatever their field was, but in our English lessons, I was the expert.

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Lanza-Armonia · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:46 am Post subject:

Thanks Denise.... That actually helped

Just one thing....

....I teach sugar induced 4-10 year olds. Therefore a suit is a little outta the question. Sometime I dress up goofy like, so they'll think it's funny and keep their attention. I wouldn't dream of teaching CEOs and the like; it's to much work and I hate grammar as it is without having to work side by side with it. No, sir! I'll stay right where I am and play with the kiddies, TYVM!

Enjoy

LA

<<<CASE CLOSED>>>

PrinceofZibo · Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject:

Ok! Let me refresh all the oldies out here! I want to support L-A, and all the other young teachers (like me). What is the definition of a teacher?

Teacher : 1.Someone who shows or helps someone to learn. 2. Someone who gives lessons 3. Someone who provides knowledge.

My personnal definition of a good teacher is someone who is able to give the knowledge in a good way the students are gonna remember. You don't need a 3-4 years degree showing you how you should give that knowledge.. Teaching is only a method, about knowing how to give the information. You have it inside or not. A lot of people I've met out here with advanced educations were proven to be the worst teachers the school had. They just fired one with 2 degrees and a master in english, as he was too bad at teaching, pretentious and was not captivating the students. I remember having many teachers before with a lot of knowledge and they were just bad, they didn't know how to give their knowledge in a good way.

Also think the relation you have with your students will influence their interest in a class. A young teacher who's down to earth and not blazed by his 3-4 years of university and 20 years of teaching english will probably get the students more interested in the subject.

Let me also remind you that most of us are teaching spoken english.. Why would you need a degree to teach your students how to pronunce " Hi, my name's Wang" as they often have chinese teachers to teach them english.

Anyway, I am one of those young teachers, and am bored of all those people saying that I'm like their little brother, they should look at our maturity and learn from us. Want to hear your comments now?! As for the mistakes, well I want you to forgive me, my time's precious, if I have to spend 5 minutes reading myself back to make sure other respected teachers are not gonna complain about it...! Well it is not worth it.

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

The prince asks what is the definition of a teacher. Oh-Oh.

I don't have time to answer that.

I once led 2 X 1.5 hour DELTA sessions on this.

Conclusion: You can't simply define the role of a teacher because there is no such thing as a homogenous class.

With my current class the definition of 'teacher'is a cross between babysitter and riot control police( the students are 17-19 years old)