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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hic! Laughing

We weren't talking about the students, but the teachers, as evinced by the quality of the previous post.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sashadroogie posted
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Didn't get your lesbian reference at all.


I hope you have gotten over your 'hiccups'. You asked about women, which would usually be down low on the priorities list for most people, including your female coworkers.

sashadroogie posted
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Hard facts? Since when have they ever been important in a thread here? 5 figure salary? Is 50,000 not a 5 figure salary? How much is an upper one? 60, 70? How much of these figures are inflated boasts? Some posters claim that they make 100K a year in Moscow.


But I don't see any of the posters in the Russia forum talking about salaries in those ranges. Was this before the ruble crashed?

As for Japan, I'd be happy to show you tax returns, but believe me, the people who are established here make good money. As you correctly pointed out, for newcomers it would be a lot tougher initially getting a job here, so they may have more employment opportunities in Russia. I somehow doubt they would be better since it would depend on where they set up and how many private students they can get and keep year round.
The incomes here for established teachers and even newcomers are much steadier in general.

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And drunk or sober I can deliver an infinitely more effective lesson than they can. Just personal, subjective experience, true - but the pattern has held for the last twenty-odd individuals thus far.


And I assume that includes when hungover? But that is your opinion, as I have often seen that you think being an overzealous 'grammarian' makes you a better teacher, whereas many on this forum would opine that it doesn't necessarily make you anything but a bore to those of us who are not infatuated with grammar like yourself.

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(Though your assumption that I teach under the influence is of course just as lacking in hard evidence as anything you criticise me for.)


Actually I haven't assumed anything, you make regular references to being drunk, seems to be on your mind, not mine. In other words, if I feel like drinking alcohol, I just do it, I don't need to try and embellish every other post with tales about it.

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You'll only get four weeks of paid hols with salary. No place for fat, lazy well-fed anybody here.


Sorry to hear you don't get so much time off, I'll think of you the next time I take another trip. Actually having time off allows a teacher to recharge his/her batteries and be able to better derive various student activities and ways to improve lessons.

There are some people who work more hours than I do. I take off approximately 6-8 weeks a year including other work that I do. Some of those people who take off less time easily hit the income levels that I quoted. Some of them are just on better contracts (and with better contacts) having arrived here earlier.

I'm not sure what the relation between being well fed and lazy would be.
As to whether someone is obese or not, I'm not sure that would make a difference when it comes to teaching unless it overly saps a person's energy level. Another one of your hiring biases perhaps?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hic!

Rightly or wrongly, lots of newbies get into teaching abroad not just to satisfy wanderlust, but basic lust too. Women would not be very far down the priority list for lots of males, and I'd say that women teachers also hope for some romance. The first post didn't seem to include many other considerations beyond money and other material motivation. You did ask if you had missed anything...

The lesbian reference still just comes across as very strange, to me and also to female co-workers.

Have no doubts that salary ranges are higher in Japan. But by your own link, which compares costs of living, you'd need them to be. 60% higher costs than Moscow, it says, so your salaries should be at least that much higher too. But are they? Not always, so your gloating over how much you make is not on as strong a foundation as you may think, even if money is all you care about.

Grammar boring? Plenty of other posters wouldn't agree. Strange thing to say for a language teacher. But then, if you see yourself as a therapist or facilitator, why should one be surprised? Not infatuated by it, though. Where ever did you get that?

I make regular references to vodka and drinking, and being under the influence, true. Why not? Many other posters write here as though they are off their faces, so why not parody that? I also make references to many other subjects, for that matter. But it is only in your mind that all this is the same thing as being drunk while in a classroom, hic! Strange, these assumptions...

Glad you have so much time off. You are truly lucky. Hope your batteries are fully re-charged now. I missed our little t�te-�-t�te. Ready again? How many weeks of paid vacation would you get back home, by the way? Just curious.

And I'm an equal opportunity employer. All 'personality teachers', 'role models', those who don't know how to write a covering letter, those who don't know what a verb is or how to teach, say, a vocabulary item, will be given the same reply. No bias there. Or do you think there is an internal contradiction lurking somewhere there?
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, man, I totally thought you were sauced this whole time, Sasha Sad
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Jeff, how could I be so ideological correct this whole time if I were?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or maybe, it's all part of an elaborate plan, hic!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Analysis: Sasha's forum persona is a construct designed to convey .... exactly what? Clearly a sly communist plot. Cool

As for the 'looking for love' issue - well, maybe it's not the case in Japan (never been there) but I worked in teacher training for some time and newbies very often do put relationships pretty high on the 'hopes' list. I think it's probably universal.

On the grammar point: I've taught Russian (and other slavic) students for years. Stereotypically (meaning somewhat true) they do appreciate a grammatical framework to work from. Perhaps a parallel to the ways they have studied other subjects in school - it's a familiar approach.

Overall, c'mon esteemed Japan expert. Relax. Enjoy. You've clearly got quite a nice situation from your point of view. Other people - different priorities. No conflict or controversy in that. Wink
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denise



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the potential for romance is an issue, and not just for the boys!! I was engaged when I came to Oman--otherwise, I never would have come, based on what I had read about the dating scene. Luckily, the myth is just a myth, and there is more going on here than one might think... Really, a good salary, benefits, and all those other things are important, but are they really all that great if you're alone? Of course, saying that you want to find a guy/gal during an interview (e.g., in answer to the standard "Why do you want to come here?" question) is a stupid thing to do, but it really is a very valid concern.

Sasha, you're not alone. I've had a nice glass (or two) of something pretty much every night this week. Hic!

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denise, here's to you! Budem zdorovy, hic! But don't let some other posters know you have a tipple or they'll think you're a West Virginian subversive lesbian bent on world domination.


Hic!

I know I am...
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Women would not be very far down the priority list for lots of males, and I'd say that women teachers also hope for some romance. The first post didn't seem to include many other considerations beyond money and other material motivation. You did ask if you had missed anything...


I know, but it seemed odd that you only mentioned that. I could talk about general safety, level of services, etc.. those things are fairly high here, though sometimes the process of getting Internet access for example seems slow compared to some other places I've lived.


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How many weeks of paid vacation would you get back home, by the way? Just curious.


I know my buddy in Ohio doesn't get so much. I'll ask him, but I also know he is making about half what I make. He does have a few benefits, like an office, but I guess I can do without one.

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Have no doubts that salary ranges are higher in Japan. But by your own link, which compares costs of living, you'd need them to be. 60% higher costs than Moscow, it says, so your salaries should be at least that much higher too. But are they? Not always, so your gloating over how much you make is not on as strong a foundation as you may think, even if money is all you care about.


Perhaps you didn't read the text within the link as well as you were hoping. With the rents and restaurant costs, they rated Moscow as more expensive than Tokyo (I believe about 16%. So, if you managed to get a very cheap place to stay, and only ate and drink at home, yes, theoretically you could save more, even with a lower salary.

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Grammar boring? Plenty of other posters wouldn't agree. Strange thing to say for a language teacher. But then, if you see yourself as a therapist or facilitator, why should one be surprised? Not infatuated by it, though. Where ever did you get that?


I didn't say grammar is boring, I said being carried away by it is. There is quite a difference. I think there are quite a few elements of teaching that are more important than being an overbearing grammarian. Class management, linguistic task setting, activity design, etc..

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I make regular references to vodka and drinking, and being under the influence, true. Why not? Many other posters write here as though they are off their faces, so why not parody that?


Okay my friend, keep your day job, comedy is not quite your forte. You said that whether you were drunk or not you'd be a better teacher than the 20 'Asian' based teachers you've met (interviewed, I assume?). I suppose you have me beat, I have only met 2-3 teachers who have taught in Russia (they seemed capable, though 2 of them said that teaching in Russia was interesting , but not for the faint hearted). Or the comically endowed.... Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the way, your constant repeating of Hic! makes me think you might be from West virginia?


Nah, Sasha is just desperate to try out his comedy routine when he can, must have bombed in the classroom, so we get the overflow.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperate to try out my comedy routine? I sure am! A ha hah hah! I was inspired by your masterful foray into the art, your telephone interview sketch from a few weeks back. Here's my sketch. Any similarities to living people are purely coincidental.


GA: So yeah, thanks for coming to the interview. Now first question, if you saw a little Japanese girl crying in the corridor, what would you do?

Newbie: I don't really know how to answer that.

GA: Wouldn't you try to comfort her?

Newbie: Erm.. I'm not sure...

GA: But it's really easy, you know? Just put your arm around her and ask her what's wrong. Really helps the classroom dynamic, you know? You aren't a lesbian are you?

Newbie: But wouldn't that be going beyond my role as a teacher?

GA: No way, man. Our students need our full support. That is your role - you're a role model for these people. Heck, half of them can't think for themselves. They need us to help them get beyond the mental limits imposed on them by their own language. They need us to entertain them too. Don't let's forget that...

Newbie: But what about teaching them English?

GA: Aw don't tell me you're one of those 'let's focus on grammar' teachers, dude? That won't fit in with our operation. We prefer to facilitate the learning process in an organic way, you know? You just gotta feel for it. Don't do anything boring like that. Organise debates, they can't do that too well in their culture. And watch sit-coms with them too. We got a huge range of DVDs for that.

Newbie: Erm ,OK. Can I ask about terms and conditions?

GA: Sure, we got lots and lots of free time. And we need it, you know, because it can really drain you, all this dealing with students personal problems. Teaching 15 hours a week may sound light, but all the work that goes into that is quite intensive, like setting up my podcast for use in the classroom. And more money than you can shake a large stick at.

Newbie: Erm, why are you moving so close to me?

GA: Relax. Just a friendly hug so we can really understand each other. Hey? That tastes funny. What's that smell on your breath? Ah go to Russia!
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible to make a decent salary in Russia with some hard work and patience. However, I can't say it's the best place in the world to live, and it can be hard to "break into" the Russian market (I'll say it again for the millionth time: Get to a smaller city and establish yourself; the money will follow).
Argentina, where I spent some time, is a tough place to find well-paid work, but a wonderful place to live (especially BA).
Ukraine is has its good points, but the pay there tends to be quite low (especially if one has students loans back home, for example).
I lived in Monterrey, Mexico, and can say that I didn't much care for the city. In terms of teaching, the pay was relatively all right. However, DF or another city might be a better place to check out.
Call center work in India is well-paid, but India can be a tough place to live for an extended period of time. My one year was enough, though I'd still like to go back and visit.
So, as you see, no place is "perfect". My advice, if you can call it that, is to get to a place you love, "settle in" for a while, get to know locals, be professional, be sociable, and the money will eventually come.
Good luck
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best place to live, or best place to teach? According to the OP, having lots of time off and making lots of money when teaching and not teaching are the only real things of importance. I wonder where the learners fit into all that. Barely a mention of them, poor souls.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Judge korea by its accomplishments Reply with quote

stonecold wrote:
The korean economy is one of the strongest and the russian economy...? Koreans demand good language skills, particularly in english, japanese and chinese. They are amongst the hardest working people in the world and they also "play hard" they have their racist dimension as in alll cultures but they are learning. The russians will always be commys. they are notoriously lazy because there is never any incentive to excel.

By the way, your constant repeating of Hic! makes me think you might be from West virginia?


When did you live in Russia, I wonder? For how long did you stay here?
While there's little doubt that Russians don't have the working culture that Koreans, Japanese and some Westerners have, to say there's no "incentive to excel" smacks of both ignorance and hyperbole. In fact, modern Russia is one of the most materialistic cultures I have spent time in, and the pressure to "keep up with the Petrovs" is palpable in nearly every aspect of life.

By the way, it's "commies".
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