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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Johnslat cited HL Mencken
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�No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people.�
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Presidential Variation?
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| No one ever lost office misunderestimating the jingoism of the American people |
Cept Pres Johnson, i guess.
Yrs exhaustedly
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| In China, my students have already been taught proverbs. The thing is, in my opinion, they tend to overuse them in their writing. I understand it's exciting to use turns of phrase in another langauge, but the frequency which my students use them doesn't quite seem natural. |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Cambodians likewise. Puh-leaze. "The snake is more patient than the freaking stork, that kind of thing." VERY commonly used, from the Prime Minister on down. Workin class commie wisdom, and all that. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, but one of the wonderful things about humanity is that it tends to share so many ideas - including proverbs: same thought put in different words. |
Definitely true. My Chinese students always like to see how so many things are similar
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| In China, my students have already been taught proverbs. The thing is, in my opinion, they tend to overuse them in their writing. I understand it's exciting to use turns of phrase in another langauge, but the frequency which my students use them doesn't quite seem natural |
Also definitely true. I try teaching them that one proverb or quote for a speech is cool, but I think it is a Chinese cultural thing to use proverbs to a greater extent then us. They don't understand that you need to use specific detail. Oh, it's in a proverb, so it must be true, eh? You can see it in the way they use these big English words with Capital letters.
I was trying to teach them how to use metaphors in writing. I used the song "The Rose" to show how to develop a metaphor, and how to first state the opposit position, and then state your position. One of the better writing classes for all the serious studenys. |
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senor boogie woogie

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 676 Location: Beautiful Hangzhou China
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: Birds and bushes. |
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Hola!
What does "A bird in hand is worth more than two in a bush?"
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: Poles apart |
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Dear senor boogie woogie,
Hola yourself, but no way am I touching that one - not with a ten foot Pole. Not even with a twelve foot Lithuanian.
Regards,
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Dear John,
I wouldn't touch that one with your 12 foot pole either. |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Birds and bushes. |
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| senor boogie woogie wrote: |
Hola!
What does "A bird in hand is worth more than two in a bush?"
Senor |
*sigh*
There's always one who can't refrain from going for the grade seven humour.  |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I'll bite.
It means if you have something definite in the present. Take it. don't gamble and think things might get better if you hold on.
I'll leave the 'double entendre' answer to Sid |
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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Two heads are better than one.
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Will.
Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 783 Location: London Uk
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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A problem shared........................
Is a problem for two people |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick.
Colder than the balls on a brass monkey.
Full of piss and vinegar.
(These are common Scouserisms, I believe; -- passed down in my family.) |
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salmon
Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 32
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:08 am Post subject: Proverbs |
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| Referring to the Like father, like son and The apple doesn't fall far from the tree , don't forget A chip off the old block, or translated from the Irish Breeding breaks out in the eyes of the cat or as my father used to say, perhaps alluding more to the physical attributes of a person " It's the breeding of the beast" Personally I speak in 'proverbs' all the time; maybe it's an Irish thing. All the best |
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leeroy
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 777 Location: London UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I honestly can't remember the last time I used a proverb, in real life or in class. A similar realisation dawned on me yesterday while I was teaching idioms;
"You look like death warmed up!"
"You're dicing with death!"
"He was at death's door..."
I don't remember having used any of these in a real life context. Ever. (OK, I'm sure I have once or twice...). Maybe I am indeed part of the illiterate MTV generation - but proverbs and many idioms seem a little too traditional to me, perhaps even pretentious. |
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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick.
Colder than the balls on a brass monkey. |
Yeah, I've heard variations of these, khmerit.
Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.
Here's a regional equivalent of the former:
Better than a slap in the face with a frozen mukluk (moccasin)
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