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Proverbs: Obsolete?
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnslat cited HL Mencken
Quote:
�No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people.�



Presidential Variation?

Quote:
No one ever lost office misunderestimating the jingoism of the American people


Cept Pres Johnson, i guess.

Yrs exhaustedly
khmerhit Wink
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Wolf



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In China, my students have already been taught proverbs. The thing is, in my opinion, they tend to overuse them in their writing. I understand it's exciting to use turns of phrase in another langauge, but the frequency which my students use them doesn't quite seem natural.
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cambodians likewise. Puh-leaze. Rolling Eyes "The snake is more patient than the freaking stork, that kind of thing." VERY commonly used, from the Prime Minister on down. Workin class commie wisdom, and all that.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, but one of the wonderful things about humanity is that it tends to share so many ideas - including proverbs: same thought put in different words.


Definitely true. My Chinese students always like to see how so many things are similar

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In China, my students have already been taught proverbs. The thing is, in my opinion, they tend to overuse them in their writing. I understand it's exciting to use turns of phrase in another langauge, but the frequency which my students use them doesn't quite seem natural

Also definitely true. I try teaching them that one proverb or quote for a speech is cool, but I think it is a Chinese cultural thing to use proverbs to a greater extent then us. They don't understand that you need to use specific detail. Oh, it's in a proverb, so it must be true, eh? You can see it in the way they use these big English words with Capital letters.

I was trying to teach them how to use metaphors in writing. I used the song "The Rose" to show how to develop a metaphor, and how to first state the opposit position, and then state your position. One of the better writing classes for all the serious studenys.
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senor boogie woogie



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: Birds and bushes. Reply with quote

Hola!

What does "A bird in hand is worth more than two in a bush?"

Senor
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Poles apart Reply with quote

Dear senor boogie woogie,
Hola yourself, but no way am I touching that one - not with a ten foot Pole. Not even with a twelve foot Lithuanian.
Regards,
John
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dmb



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear John,
I wouldn't touch that one with your 12 foot pole either.
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:20 am    Post subject: Re: Birds and bushes. Reply with quote

senor boogie woogie wrote:
Hola!

What does "A bird in hand is worth more than two in a bush?"

Senor


*sigh*

There's always one who can't refrain from going for the grade seven humour. Rolling Eyes
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dmb



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'll bite.

It means if you have something definite in the present. Take it. don't gamble and think things might get better if you hold on.
I'll leave the 'double entendre' answer to Sid
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Shaman



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Two heads are better than one.

Smile

Shaman
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Will.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A problem shared........................











Is a problem for two people
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick.

Colder than the balls on a brass monkey.

Full of piss and vinegar.

(These are common Scouserisms, I believe; -- passed down in my family.)
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salmon



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:08 am    Post subject: Proverbs Reply with quote

Referring to the Like father, like son and The apple doesn't fall far from the tree , don't forget A chip off the old block, or translated from the Irish Breeding breaks out in the eyes of the cat or as my father used to say, perhaps alluding more to the physical attributes of a person " It's the breeding of the beast" Personally I speak in 'proverbs' all the time; maybe it's an Irish thing. All the best
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leeroy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly can't remember the last time I used a proverb, in real life or in class. A similar realisation dawned on me yesterday while I was teaching idioms;

"You look like death warmed up!"
"You're dicing with death!"
"He was at death's door..."

I don't remember having used any of these in a real life context. Ever. (OK, I'm sure I have once or twice...). Maybe I am indeed part of the illiterate MTV generation - but proverbs and many idioms seem a little too traditional to me, perhaps even pretentious.
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Shaman



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khmerhit wrote:
Better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick.

Colder than the balls on a brass monkey.


Yeah, I've heard variations of these, khmerit.

Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

Here's a regional equivalent of the former:

Better than a slap in the face with a frozen mukluk (moccasin)

Smile

Shaman
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