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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Spiral, it sounds as though you have a really great group of Saudi students. I wish I had had a similar group when I was teaching at Temple University in Philadelphia. |
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gaijinalways
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| The students were all for staying at home, predictably, but after exploring this, they asked me some genuine questions about what might be better about NOT staying with one's parents. |
I have had those discussions, though some of my students live on their own already, so they could provide much of this knowledge on their own. I also introduced the idea that people in other cultures outside Japan do sometimes continue to live at home for longer periods of time for various reasons, both cultural and practical.
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| That was a real conversation, with a real point, and I was of course totally happy to engage in it. We agreed in the end that there are some advantages to both ideas - and touched on language for expressing degrees of opinion in the process. Job Well Done, students. |
I hear you. Nothing is more appalling than when classroom conversations revolve around regurgitating knowledge with little real communication. Granted, education involves various kinds of learning, but it is fulfilling when students are able to use language skills for what they were ultimately designed for; communication (whether for informational and/or social needs).
Kudos to you Spiral and your students.  |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Wow! You've come a long long way Spiral! |
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gaijinalways
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| Wow! You've come a long long way Spiral! |
You were there at the beginning? You get around ! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this wilful misunderstanding on your part or was I being too subtle? |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Too subtle, Sasha. I admit I didn't get it either  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dear spiral 78,
I did - but then my mind is likely about as hopelessly Byzantine as Sasha's.
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, then listen carefully y'all, sigh. In a previous thread we had all sorts of condescending comments, whose tone was questioned by a few other posters, and yet now, in the space of a week, we have high praise from the same source. Spiral, I think the professional distance you've covered in that short time is a credit to you. Don't know how you did it! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Johnslat
Nothing wrong with Byzantium. Lovely place, but only for the young....
THAT is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
- Those dying generations - at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.
O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.
Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
One of my most favorite poets and one of his very best poems. Thanks.
"An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.'
CLAP, CLAP (but be very glad you can't hear my singing.)
Regards,
John |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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THAT'S what I get for skimming over exactly who's posting what...forgive my density  |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| That's OK Spiral. I'm sure you don't have the resources that the forces of communism have when it comes to keeping tabs and what's being said by whom about this and that...hic! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Johnslat
Yes, he's a special one is WB. Said a lot of silly things in his political life, but all is forgiven when reading his art. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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That's OK Spiral. I'm sure you don't have the resources that the forces of communism have when it comes to keeping tabs and what's being said by whom about this and that...hic!
My trusty Bulgarians are spread a bit thin at the moment over the Limburg mafia, I must admit. Perhaps I need to recruit some extras for a couple of weeks... |
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