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Starting a business in Poland - Not so simple for Americans
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do I need to do? The school I am supposed to work for wants me to open a business. Is this even possible being an American on a work visa?

How close to they check into the visa once you are here? There is a chance for me to work elsewhere. I didn't realize that Nowy Sacz is on the edge of the known world. hahahahaha!
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wojbrian wrote:
What do I need to do? The school I am supposed to work for wants me to open a business. Is this even possible being an American on a work visa?


According to my experience so far, it's not. I've got a lawyer looking into it for me. Hopefully she can find a loophole.
wojbrian wrote:
How close to they check into the visa once you are here? There is a chance for me to work elsewhere.

In my case, they called the office which issued my decision and asked them to check on my residency status.

But who knows how uniformly they apply this rule in Poland! Your mileage may vary. Give opening a business a shot if you like. The first few steps are free.

Just read the sticky and follow the steps. The first thing you'll need is a NIP number.

Good luck. And have fun picking apples in Nowy Sącz, or whatever they do for fun there.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can be a business I can have lots of work.

I stopped at another school and they want me to do conversation classes.

I can probably have a job in Zary near my gf in zielona gora. However, this means my visa is for the wrong school. I was told unoffically that they don't check the visa. Just if you have one.
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stasiu of liberty



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Arriving Friday night and hitting the streets for work Reply with quote

Hello everybody-been reading your posts for over a year-and decided to sign on yesterday...your experience and insight has been very helpful...I've asked a wonderful and lovely long-time friend of my family in Krakow to marry me when I visited in Aug 09 and she said "Yes!" But she won't live in the states...ok so i'm moving to be with her and, family...so i just got my ESL cert and have MSW experience teaching court ordered violators for 11 years so here i go!

So here's some Q's
1. Assuming i get citizenship via my pre ww2 Polish born parents-do you recommend teaching at a language school or private lessons?
2. could I teach at university level for social work students and do they consider an MSW degree adequate? i know it's a stretch but thought i'd throw that q out there.
3. Does anybody know about any youth baseball for the 10-13 year old crowd?(my stepsons have had me teach them how to play this summer...)
thanx and looking forward to meeting up sometime!
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Arriving Friday night and hitting the streets for work Reply with quote

stasiu of liberty wrote:
So here's some Q's
1. Assuming i get citizenship via my pre ww2 Polish born parents-do you recommend teaching at a language school or private lessons?
2. could I teach at university level for social work students and do they consider an MSW degree adequate? i know it's a stretch but thought i'd throw that q out there.
3. Does anybody know about any youth baseball for the 10-13 year old crowd?(my stepsons have had me teach them how to play this summer...)
thanx and looking forward to meeting up sometime!

Hi Stasiu,

Congrats on getting engaged!

1) Starting your own business will enable you to make the most money as you can work for whatever clients (schools, companies, etc.) you want - you can simply bill them every month.

In general, privates pay a bit more per hour but it takes time to fill a schedule with reliable private students. You may want to take a job with a lang school for a while. Doing this will help you develop as a teacher.

2) I'm not 100% sure, but I think there's a good change that you could.

3) no idea.

BTW, The teaching market in Krakow is a bit tighter than other Polish cities. Everybody want's to live there. It would be a good idea to apply to some schools before you arrive.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:

In my case, they called the office which issued my decision and asked them to check on my residency status.


So its a 50/50 shot as whether then call or not.

I don't have a nip or pesel yet. My g/f went to the office and checked. They said there is a way but its expensive. Maybe I will go back to Zielona Gora and take my chances. I am not liking the teaching method that they use.

It's basically write your own Callan using Total English.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reasons I'll probably never know, the powers that be have reversed their decision and decided to let me start a small business. Maybe all my questioning in broken Polish at the immigration office rattled someone's cage...maybe I just got lucky. Either way, I'm happy.

So I can start my 'economic activity' as of October 1st and will get a 'REGON' number soon, which apparently is the next step. All these numbers - NIP, PESEL, REGON... Do they give you a prize if you collect the whole set?
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sparks



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you get a prize...High ZUS payments after 2 years, more paperwork to deal with and, with time, the realization that the best thing to do is just to build your base of private students and leave the schools and rachuneks to the suckers
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maniak



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
Of course you get a prize...High ZUS payments after 2 years, more paperwork to deal with and, with time, the realization that the best thing to do is just to build your base of private students and leave the schools and rachuneks to the suckers


hit the nail on the head here sparks, you can get private health insurance for 100zl a month, tell ZUS to f off, and live on cash. of course youre screwed if you need a bank loan, but if youre not planning on settling down here then who cares
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
Of course you get a prize...High ZUS payments after 2 years, more paperwork to deal with and, with time, the realization that the best thing to do is just to build your base of private students and leave the schools and rachuneks to the suckers


I can always axe the company after two years if I want to.

I see your point, but on what basis can I stay in Poland if I'm not working? I think, as an American, I need to be employed somewhere to live here legally.
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stasiu of liberty



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: krakow Reply with quote

Thanx Master Shake!

I'll be in touch!
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just talked to an American here in Wroclaw.

He started a business here while on a visitor visa last year.

He got address and registered.

Then he got a pesel and regon.

Then he went and registered the business.

At this point he went and applied for residency and got it.

He said that it didn't cost him a thing.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wojbrian, everything you said sounds ok except this:

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He said that it didn't cost him a thing.


a residency card is far from free, along with the other documentation.

PESOL, 50zl. REGON, 50zl. NIP, 50zl. Residency card application, around 360zl, along with whatever it costs to have your photos taken for the application....i believe it's 5 passport size photos facing to the right. then when you get the residency card, you have to pay 50zl for it.

setting up a business and getting residency is not too too bad if you have someone leading the way that knows what they are doing, but it's far from free. every year I need to renew my residency card, and it costs me over 400zl every time. luckily the last time I did it they gave me a card valid for 2 years so this year I ducked the 400+zl for renewal.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss spoke, I didn't mean the extra paperwork.

I meant for the Business paperwork. I have heard of it costing thousands to set something up.
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