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Sashadroogie · Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject:

But where's the self-discovery, Spiral? Eh? Tell me that... : (

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

It may be very difficult to get a job as an American in the old EU, but why do Celta schools say so with proper qualifications can get hired. Just to get money?

My sister has a Celta and was told that while certain countries were difficult, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy were quite possible. That was a few years ago, but...

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:01 am Post subject:

OK. How long is a few years ago? That's quite important.

What are CELTA schools exactly? And why would anyone take a local language school's word over the public information re EU employment laws?

Sorry, Iceman, but this is getting circular. No matter how much you want it, just wanting it isn't going to make it so. You are very, very unlikely to gain legal full-time employment in the (old) EU. An MA in linguistics won't change that. A CELTA certainly won't either.

Just out of curiosity, what are my chances of landing work in the US? Can somebody waiver the whole immigration system just for me? Not to keen on the fingerprinting and retinal scans though, so will my MA dispense with that?

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

It may be very difficult to get a job as an American in the old EU, but why do Celta schools say so with proper qualifications can get hired. Just to get money?

Any training centre that claims a non-EU member citizen can get a work visa in an 'old' EU country with a CELTA or equivalent is lying. It would simply be false advertising. I have not seen such claims in a long time.

My sister has a Celta and was told that while certain countries were difficult, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy were quite possible. That was a few years ago, but...

Yes, once again, the laws changed January 01, 2009 with the new Schengen zone requirement to stay out for 90 of every 180 days, thus eliminating the old 'border run' option that used to suffice to keep one nominally legal.

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

I was told that if I did a Celta course, considering my Master's in linguistics that I could get a job in the EU. Schools in Europe said that, even though I am a non-EU citizen.'

Cause you wrote this.

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

No, Iceman, it's not about enjoying saying 'no.' The laws impact me negatively as well, as I'm all-too-aware-of these days.

The thing is that I've been around for nearly 13 years now. In my old positions as teacher-trainer and later on at a European university with partners in many countries here, and with contacts in the industry all over, I have seen newbies sometimes get in real difficulties coming to Europe with unrealistic hopes and dreams. Seriously, I've known of people who have ended up deported, banned from the EU, not paid by unscrupulous employers who took advantage of the wish to work illegally....the risks are real, though of course the worst case doesn't happen to everyone. For instance, I hear that the illegal teaching market in Spain is still existent, though the risk of getting caught overstaying the 90 days upon departure at any airport definitely exists.

It's only fair that people know what they are really facing. Then, if they decide to come, they can at least make the decision from an informed stance with an understanding of what the risks and barriers are.

That's why you get so much resistance here for posting info that's simply not correct - other newbies deserve to know the actualities, so they can make informed decisions.

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject:

Dear Iceman

I'm planning on going to the US to teach TEFL. Can you recommend which is the best state for me to fix up work? I have a hankering for New York, but I'd settle for LA. I have a degree, a CELTA, a DELTA and an MA, which my friends down the pub assured me would put me on the fast track to landing a top job, as no one else there would have my combination of quals. Also, my level of both Russian and Turkish is pretty good.

Please don't disappoint!

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

Justin Trullinger · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:07 am Post subject:

What a delightfully fanciful idea, Iceman!

But on a more serious note, you do realize that even if SD were interested in working with the Amish, or any others of the many many many English learners we have in the US, he would be extremely unlikely to get a visa to do so if he isn't American?

Best,
Justin

Sashadroogie · Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:59 am Post subject:

Aw! No fair!!!!! That's discriminating against me on grounds that are almost racist! Somebody please change the entire system for ME because I AM that important.

Thank you very much!

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91

Iceman33 · Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91