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Abashiri
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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:07 am Post subject: Too true |
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Wow, there're a lot of things to complain about with Arabic culture!
Have you bought your ticket yet? |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Too true |
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| Abashiri wrote: |
| I apologize for my forwardness, but I have a request to NCTBA. I really appreciate your humour and info in all the threads, but I was wondering if you could change your avatar... (July 07, 2009) |
NCTBA  ...  ... |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Too true |
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| Abashiri wrote: |
Wow, there're a lot of things to complain about with Arabic culture!
Have you bought your ticket yet? |
It comes with the territory--any territory. Foreigners working or studying in the US (or any country) tend to complain a lot. WE complain a lot about what's wrong with our own countries. If everything is wonderful and everyone's happy in YOUR country (or culture), you have a lot to learn. I admit it's hard to keep a thick skin sometimes. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Hey SnB, thisun's afraid of guns being pointed at her by animations! To say that she's gotta lot to learn is an understatement...PC gone WILD!
You talk of "nanny states"...she's the ultimate "nanny"...
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veiledsentiments
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I have to say that I have never been a fan of either of your avatars NCTBA and SnB. (not to mention Trapezius bashing his poor little head over and over - though it often matches the topics  )
I'm sure all three of you will manage to carry on even though someone doesn't like your avatar.
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eslgypsy
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[quote="Never Ceased To Be Amazed"]Ya know...we discussed the "losing (of precious) identity" ad nauseum when ADEC first came out with the idea and came to the conclusion that it was unadulterated bull$hit. In order for Emiratis (and probably ALL other Gulf Arabs save Yemenis and, possibly, Omanis to "lose" their "identity", they'd have to:
-stop driving like lunatics
-buckle up their kids
-stop polluting like all get out]
...and on and on...
This is nothing more than a racist rant. Shame on you. Very odd for an EFL teacher. |
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trapezius
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Learn the definition of 'racist', 'racism', etc.
And then also look up 'realist', 'realism', etc. |
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Sheikh N Bake
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It's all about culture. Racism often gets confused with a distaste for elements of a given culture. Personally I don't care for Japanese social culture very much, and for many reasons I won't bore you with, I would never enter into a relationship with 99% of Japanese women. On the other hand, I'm crazy about Vietnamese and Chinese women..and generally like their cultures. SO...is that racist? Because in race, there's barely any difference between the three cultures I just mentioned.
It would be like someone from Vietnam in the USA preferring northern Anglos over Southern Anglos, because there is a definite cultural difference. . As Trapezius pointed out, some of us need to look up things up and not be so damned PC. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| eslgypsy wrote: |
| This is nothing more than a racist rant. Shame on you. Very odd for an EFL teacher. |
Feelin' better now, sugar dumplin'? Take the advice of other posters and invest half a dime in a dictionary...and then read it...you'll come off much more intelligent sounding...
NCTBA
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| eslgypsy wrote: |
-stop driving like lunatics
-buckle up their kids
-stop polluting like all get out]
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This is nothing more than a racist rant. Shame on you. Very odd for an EFL teacher. |
This is ridiculous pseudo political correctness. What does the fact that they are terrible drivers, who never bother to protect their children in a car, and waste their resources in a way that puts even beats us wasteful Americans, have to do with "racism"??
This term is becoming meaningless from overuse in appropriate situations. I've worked with a number of racist teachers over the years... they were the ones that referred to their students as the "little f**ing wogs/ragheads/aye-rabs" - not the ones who bemoaned the fact that they often drove like demented 17 year old boys with their kids standing in the front seat waving out of the "moonroof" as they tossed chips bags and drink cups.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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I'd be very careful about throwing the "r-word" willy-nilly on these boards. Bad things could happen ot abusers of that attribution/threat...
NCTBA
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eslgypsy
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This is ridiculous pseudo political correctness. What does the fact that they are terrible drivers, who never bother to protect their children in a car, and waste their resources in a way that puts even beats us wasteful Americans, have to do with "racism"??
This term is becoming meaningless from overuse in appropriate situations. I've worked with a number of racist teachers over the years... they were the ones that referred to their students as the "little f**ing wogs/ragheads/aye-rabs" - not the ones who bemoaned the fact that they often drove like demented 17 year old boys with their kids standing in the front seat waving out of the "moonroof" as they tossed chips bags and drink cups.
VS[/quote]
Come on, VS. Do you actually mean that ALL locals are wasteful, irresponsible, and rude. It is not 1950: racism goes beyond slurs and name-calling.
Besides, The National article raises a legitimate point: how is cultural identity impacted if the dominant language of the children is different from the language of the family.
I would expect more thoughtful comments from an EFL Forum.
Disappointing. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| eslgypsy wrote: |
My girls just went to see Sex in the City last night and they were shocked at how negatively the people of Abu Dhabi are portrayed. They felt the film showed the people of Abu Dhabi as closed-minded fundamentalists who sneer at a woman wearing knee-length baggy shorts. The men in particular are characterized as drooling morons. Having lived there for over 9 years, my girls know better. The average western audience member, on the other hand, will leave with a very negative impression of the country. Shame on Hollywood.- on May 28, 2010
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So, which is it, Big Mudder or Big Brudder...it seems that from yer perch way up 'dere, there's more than enough "shame" to throw around. Nine years in AD? Hmmm...seems questionable to me as not even the most die hard apologist would go to yer lengths of pontification.
"To the World...A Wag Of My Finger", and, "To What I See In The Mirror...A Tip O' Th' Hat", eslgypsy?
NCTBA (Oh! And, by the way, I'll bet that you'll be equally "shocked" on how AD, in it's frenzied effort to brand itself allowed for the movie to be named that...but somehow was not capable of allowing it to be filmed in the country, so it portrays Moroccans in the way you suggested (but having lived for 9 years in AD, one can understand how you can confuse a Gulf Arab with a North African Arab  )...and then, hold for it...banned it from being shown in the country. Yer information is as outdated as yer beliefs. Stop this now while you still have a modicum of believability...)
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veiledsentiments
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| eslgypsy wrote: |
| Come on, VS. Do you actually mean that ALL locals are wasteful, irresponsible, and rude. It is not 1950: racism goes beyond slurs and name-calling. |
I don't recall anyone at any time saying that ALL of any group of people were anything. Nor did I mention rudeness. That is just poor reading comprehension leading to misunderstandings... allied with a proclivity towards being offended.
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Besides, The National article raises a legitimate point: how is cultural identity impacted if the dominant language of the children is different from the language of the family.
I would expect more thoughtful comments from an EFL Forum.
Disappointing. |
I suspect that you are often disappointed. It seems to me that what they should be bringing up is the question that I have been asking for 25 years... why are Gulf Universities taught in English in the first place. Doesn't this have even more cultural impact by saying that your culture is unable to achieve higher education without doing it in English? After all, this is what necessitates the obvious need for them to start learning in that language before they arrive at the doors of the university.
After all, the French and Germans seem to be able to have their universities taught in their own language... as do the Syrians, Moroccans, etc...
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trapezius
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| eslgypsy wrote: |
| Besides, The National article raises a legitimate point: how is cultural identity impacted if the dominant language of the children is different from the language of the family. |
The dominant/first/native language will still be Arabic, as that's the language they will be exposed to from birth, and will be using with their family and friends, even if schooling was mostly in English. And as VS said, you should be worried about this:
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| It seems to me that what they should be bringing up is the question that I have been asking for 25 years... why are Gulf Universities taught in English in the first place. Doesn't this have even more cultural impact by saying that your culture is unable to achieve higher education without doing it in English? |
And I said as much right at the beginning:
Of course it does (undermines local identity)... but then in that case they need to have tertiary
education in Arabic, whether it is sociology or medicine or mathematics.
How long would it take to produce capable scholars (using Arabic) and textbooks
in Arabic in all fields of knowledge? A few centuries? Perhaps a millennium. |
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