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KayuJati
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 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: list places requirements? |
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| adventuramust wrote: |
I would really like to see a solid response to the OP's post.
For what it is worth, I have taught within the past few years in Myanmar, Thailand and China w/o my BA. I do have my AA plus almost two more years of college (not that anyone takes note of that). I also have my TEFL cert.
Taiwan seems to be a must for BA and I believe Vietnam and Cambodia are as well. Can we get some kind of list going? |
Oh, there have been solid answers to the OP's question, which was quite cryptic to begin with. Where can I teach without a degree?
This question has been asked and answered before, most recently in this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=86674
Okay, let's start a list:
No degree?
1. Malaysia? NO.
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ancient_dweller
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| There are very few countries that are strict on the degree requirement. I think that Malaysia is probably the only one. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ancient_dweller wrote: |
| There are very few countries that are strict on the degree requirement. I think that Malaysia is probably the only one. |
Strict about degrees and granting of a work visa?
Korea
Taiwan
Malaysia
Japan (unless you get working holiday visa or qualify for the degree exemption due to experience).
Less strict but still required for all intents and purposes (for legal work)?
Hong Kong,
Mainland China (but there are ways around it)
Thailand (but occasionally you can work around it)
Vietnam.
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ancient_dweller
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| fair enough, I hadn't realised Korea was so strict. |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| fair enough, I hadn't realised Korea was so strict. |
This isnt based on failing to realize. It sounds like it was based on sheer conjecture, or perhaps talking to the wrong people. To determine if a country is strict about this or that, simple research is all that is required. Not sure where you got the impression that VERY FEW countries are strict on the degree requirement. I've often heard claims like that at about 2:45 a.m. in bars and such. No offense. |
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adventuramust
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: skip the heresay |
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I've read numerous ads on this ads for different countries wherein one might get the impression a BA is required. Thailand is a good example. However is has only been a year since I taught there and didn't need it.
In short: Thailand doesn't require a degree.
Places taught recently without a BA
Thailand-govt school
China-govt school
Myanmar-lang school
I would be interested in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos, but I haven't seen any ads that didn't post a BA was required. |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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China requires a degree AND a TEFL;
Vietnam as well.
Every ad I've ever seen for Thailand requires a BA. |
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ancient_dweller
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| This isnt based on failing to realize. It sounds like it was based on sheer conjecture, or perhaps talking to the wrong people. To determine if a country is strict about this or that, simple research is all that is required. Not sure where you got the impression that VERY FEW countries are strict on the degree requirement. I've often heard claims like that at about 2:45 a.m. in bars and such. No offense. |
relax; life is too short to take things too seriously.
Very few EAST ASIAN countries are strict - rather than countries in general. As you can see, that is relatively accurate; as the list of countries requiring a degree seems to be about 3.
Also, the fact that jobs may advertise that a BA is required. That doesn't mean that it necessarily is.
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Yep, you are right. shoot me.  |
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ancient_dweller
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| There are over 50 countries in East Asia. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ancient_dweller wrote: |
| There are over 50 countries in East Asia. |
YOu must be either American or come from a different planet than we do.
There are 48 countries in Asia (from Asia minor (the middle east) to east Asia.
The UN subregion of East Asia is comprised of 8 countries (or (SAR) regions):
China, Hong Kong (SAR), Macau (SAR), Japan, Mongolia, Taiwan, North Korea, and South Korea.
South East Asia is a subregion of Asia, consisting of the countries that are geographically south of China, east of India and north of Australia and consists of 11 countries:
Cambodia, Laos. Burma (Myanmar), Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore, and East Timor
That would make a total of 19 countries (or SARs) within East and South East Asia and NOT "over 50 countries in East Asia" .
In line with the original post, despite the fact that sometimes schools with money or connections in some countries can get past/around immigration requirements OR some schools will hire illegal workers (improper visa/permits or improper/false/fake documentation), the countries of China, HK, Macau, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei and Japan (with a couple of work-around-options if you have experience) ALL have a requirement for teachers to be in possession of a minimum of a Bachelors degree to qualify for a work visa/work permits AS A TEACHER.
11 countries out of 19 is more than 50% and of the remaining 8 countries you will find that opportunities to work in ESL are largely limited; few in number and not well paid for any number of reasons not the least of which are the low levels of the local economies.
Bottom line: to get LEGAL work without a degree and without finding a way to get around immigration law (fake documents, improper visa, etc.) your options are:
North Korea, Mongolia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, and East Timor.
I did not include the Philippines because you won't get a work visa as an ESL teacher (they export ESL teachers) but you can often find illegal work at the academies who cater to the Korean and Japanese ESL students in places like Bagio, Cebu, and Makati and with their generous tourist visa extensions you can effectively stay for up to 2 years with enough part-time work to keep you in the islands and not starving.
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, you are right. shoot me. |
Seems you're the one taking things too seriously there. Shoot you?? WTF??? I just wanted to SLAP you. |
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ancient_dweller
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| here are 48 countries in Asia (from Asia minor (the middle east) to east Asia. |
i knew i should have looked that up before writing. 50/48 i wasn't far off.
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| Seems you're the one taking things too seriously there. Shoot you?? WTF??? I just wanted to SLAP you. Cool |
Too clever  |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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microbabe and adventuramust,
What keeps you from going back to school to earn a degree so that you can continue (start?) your professional career as an ESL instructor? You can enroll in programs in Asia and SE Asia (and NE Asia and S Asia) that would give you a student visa. By taking your degree in a country where you might want to stay for a while, it will give you a chance to scope out jobs before graduating. In Malaysia you can get a student visa AND work part-time legally.
The days of backpacker tourists showing up at a school and "working" for a week or two to earn money for beer and bus tickets are mostly gone and relegated to boring travel accounts.
I note that the OP hasn't been back in the discussion since starting it in October last year. Not paying attention to posting dates means we may be only posting to the ether. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| here are 48 countries in Asia (from Asia minor (the middle east) to east Asia. |
i knew i should have looked that up before writing. 50/48 i wasn't far off. |
That is 48 in ALL of Asia.
Your original statement was "There are over 50 countries in East Asia" and there are only 8 in East Asia so that would make 50/8.
To be generous there are 19 in the combination of East Asia and South East Asia that would make 50/19.
You were not even close.
| KayuJati wrote: |
| I note that the OP hasn't been back in the discussion since starting it in October last year. Not paying attention to posting dates means we may be only posting to the ether. |
He was from the UK not having/being easily able to get a work visa meant that it would be almost impossible to travel to Asia, recoup the setup costs and find regular work to sustain himeself. I note he has been in the African and European (Spain) forums (where he, as a UK citizen) can get work without a degree).
Assuming he pops in to look here once in a while, I wish him the best of luck in his search. If he has a CELTA or Trinity TESOL cert he should find something in the fall in the EU (not much work during the vacation break).
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champ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| To all the folks who did not go to school:Before you find out about this degree thing,ask yourself:can you work in your own country without a degree?are you eligible to teach in your own country?spare the asians please. |
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