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sarafate
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 27 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: Lessons |
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Thanks again to everyone who has posted. Does anyone know where I can get a few one-on-one lessons for a bike that's 125cc, or less? It would be great to get lessons with an expat who has his/her license, but I am also open to having lessons with a Vietnamese. Much appreciated!
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tefl peasant

Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Lessons |
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| sarafate wrote: |
Thanks again to everyone who has posted. Does anyone know where I can get a few one-on-one lessons for a bike that's 125cc, or less? It would be great to get lessons with an expat who has his/her license, but I am also open to having lessons with a Vietnamese. Much appreciated!
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If you have a license already, as you do, you should be fine. Just go for a drive on Sunday when there's less traffic in an lightly congested area, and get used to the rules of the road (or lack of).
Good luck and drive safe. |
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Handyman
Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 16 Location: HCMC Vietnam
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I really don't know where you guys find all these "fishing" cops. I've been driving here for about 7 years now and find that, if anything, the police avoid me.
As a rule I follow the law but have been sucked into a few errors. Once, when making a newly illegal left turn, the police stopped all the Vn drivers and waved me through. I have a whole list of examples like that. Whenever I approach a group of police they always suddenly get busy with their paperwork or something across the street gets very interesting to them. Anything so they won't have to look me in the eye.
I have even been involved in more than one incident where the police were called and they were more biased for me than anything else. Even before I got my license, I've never been asked, or even hinted at, for money.
I do have a license now but have never been asked to show it. In the city I wear a regular hat type helmet with nothing covering my face. The white skin and full beard makes it pretty clear I'm not from around here. Also, my driving is not limited to only one specific area, in the course of a month I'll have been in most of the major districts and as far out as district 12.
I've heard these horror stories since I first arrived here so I'm sure there's some truth to them but they always seem to happen to a friend or co-worker. The few first-hand stories I've heard have come from people who seem to have a real hate-on for this country. And there are lots of those folks out there. |
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sarafate
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 27 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Handyman: Thanks for you input, it's nice to hear another side of the story.
tefl peasant: Thank you for the advice, and the well wishes.
All the best, to you both!
Sira |
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I'm With Stupid
Joined: 03 Sep 2010 Posts: 432
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, Handyman's account matches what I've heard from people. The police are less likely to target foreigners because it involves speaking English. Although one friend was stopped the other day with a policeman telling him his light was off (which it wasn't). He eventually got frustrated and told him to go. No money exchanged hands. Ironically, he was the one person I know who always wears a face mask when riding. |
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Oh My God
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 273
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'll start off with a couple of newbie impressions. I moved to HCMC a couple of months ago and took taxi everywhere. I have minimal motorbike experience (but lots of bicycling) and was too intimidated by the chaotic Saigon traffic. Rented a motorbike for a month from a local, and last week bought a new Honda (in my GF's name). Went from white-knuckle terror to moderate competence in about a week. You are way ahead of the game with an actual moto license from the real world. Riding a moto in this town is no big deal, old grannies do it. No need for lessons, just go slow, stay aware, and drive like the locals (wrong way, sidewalks, red light is only a suggestion, etc. ....). Always wear a helmet and face mask so you blend into the crowd. I drive by police all the time and think there is minimal chance of a traffic stop (I don't have a license).
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Yeah, even the VN think Saigon is traffic madness. This quote is from the Thanh Nien as follows:
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It�s worse than we think
Last updated: 11/5/2010 9:30
Motorbikers get stuck in a traffic jam on Thi Nghe Brigde, Ho Chi Minh City
Traffic jams seem to be an endless saga in Ho Chi Minh City, a saga that has inflicted great losses over the years on the southern metropolis.
In 2008, experts said traffic jams caused the city losses of VND14 trillion (US$718.68 million) a year. The HCMC Transport Association has complained about how much its member companies lose every year due to traffic jams.
However, there are losses that are substantially bigger than those figures. Incalculable losses.
Last week, Nguyen Thi Kim Phuong, 39, gave birth to her baby in a taxi as the vehicle was stuck in traffic jams for more than one hour on its way to hospital. Some newspapers called it a �miracle� when doctors managed to save the baby, who was born about 30 minutes before the taxi reached the hospital and had stopped breathing by then.
But, what if the �miracle� didn�t happen?
How much of a loss would that be?
In fact, many babies haven�t been as lucky as Phuong�s daughter.
Dr. Nguyen Huu Nhan, chief of Children Hospital No.1�s Emergency Department, said every year between ten and 30 children are stuck traffic jams as they are being taken to the hospital.
Most of the children are in critical condition and need emergency treatment, but because ambulances couldn�t reach the hospital quikly, many children died, he said.
There are other damages that we cannot quantify with money.
Apart from the physical discomfort and highly unhealthy breathing in of toxic fumes, there are psychological impacts of being stuck in traffic jams. We can already see people getting angry and starting a fight on flimsy grounds. Because everyone is in a rush, the looks of hostility and anger being exchanged between fellow citizens and commuters are increasing.
It might even be said that traffic jams make people less humane.
We are scared of streets, because they have taken too many things from us. Traffic jams have us in their grip, making our lives heavier. We don�t want to go out on the street, but we can�t help it, because we have to go to school and go to work.
We�ve asked: �When will the nightmare end?� Many times. And many times, plans have been announced about tackling traffic jams; yet they are still there and getting worse.
We are still waiting for an answer. |
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tefl peasant

Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| I really don't know where you guys find all these "fishing" cops. I've been driving here for about 7 years now and find that, if anything, the police avoid me. |
This is true for the most part.
But starting in the Summer of 08, there was a crackdown in HCMC on foreigners - not VNese - driving without driver's licenses.
Foreigners were pulled over, asked if they had a license, then fined. Often, the motorbike was towed away.
Locals had no problem.
This motivated many I know to get a local VN driver's license.
I still don't have one, however. |
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tefl peasant

Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Handyman wrote: |
| I really don't know where you guys find all these "fishing" cops. I've been driving here for about 7 years now and find that, if anything, the police avoid me. |
This is true for the most part.
But starting in the Summer of 08, there was a crackdown in HCMC on foreigners - not VNese - driving without driver's licenses.
Foreigners were pulled over, asked if they had a license, then fined. Often, the motorbike was towed away.
Locals had no problem.
This motivated many I know to get a local VN driver's license.
I still don't have one, however. |
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Handyman
Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 16 Location: HCMC Vietnam
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I remember hearing about that crackdown, still haven't been pulled over though.
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| I still don't have one, however. |
I'm curious, are you going to blame the "moneysucking" police when you do get pulled over, fined, and your bike taken?
Foreigners driving with no license was a real problem that they addressed and they gave us fair warning that this was going to happen. At the same time they also made the whole process to get one much easier. This crackdown was one of many, including helmets, that were started a few years ago and all of them, except this one, were enforced much more on the locals. |
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BrentBlack
Joined: 11 Apr 2010 Posts: 96 Location: Quan 3, Saigon
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I skimmed this thread so sorry if i missed someone saying this previously. When it come to riding a motorbike in this town, you only have to know three thing:
1. Always were a helmet! and a mask for that matter. breathing these fumes, especially from a buss, is like taking a bong rip packed with petrol.
2. Western/US rules do not apply here. for example, no taking turns at right angles, do not expect small one way streets to actually be one way, do not expect everyone's light to be on at night, do not expect that other people are looking out for you, use your horn liberally, it is there for a reason (this may be a western rule like in London or New York or Boston, but where i am from and most other places in the US, people do not give warning beeps or get the f*ck out of my way beeps, they give WHAT THE F*CK! beeps).
3. Get in there and schrage! don't *beep* foot about. rent a bike within your first forty eight hours and drive right into traffic. It's the only way you will learn. Watch other people see what they do. If you do mess up, which be assured you will, give a small smile and a nod that says you sorry and move on. do not take it personal, and do not engage in road rage, (other than with your horn) otherwise, bad things may happen.
Oh yeah, always remember to have fun, because it beats following all those rules back home. |
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BrentBlack
Joined: 11 Apr 2010 Posts: 96 Location: Quan 3, Saigon
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I skimmed this thread so sorry if i missed someone saying this previously. When it come to riding a motorbike in this town, you only have to know three thing:
1. Always were a helmet! and a mask for that matter. breathing these fumes, especially from a buss, is like taking a bong rip packed with petrol.
2. Western/US rules do not apply here. for example, no taking turns at right angles, do not expect small one way streets to actually be one way, do not expect everyone's light to be on at night, do not expect that other people are looking out for you, use your horn liberally, it is there for a reason (this may be a western rule like in London or New York or Boston, but where i am from and most other places in the US, people do not give warning beeps or get the f*ck out of my way beeps, they give WHAT THE F*CK! beeps).
3. Get in there and schrage! don't p*ssy foot about. rent a bike within your first forty eight hours and drive right into traffic. It's the only way you will learn. Watch other people see what they do. If you do mess up, which be assured you will, give a small smile and a nod that says you sorry and move on. do not take it personal, and do not engage in road rage, (other than with your horn) otherwise, bad things may happen.
Oh yeah, always remember to have fun, because it beats following all those rules back home.
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sarafate
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 27 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dear BrentBlack,
Reading your message made me feel like I was smack dab in the middle of Saigon traffic--or at least what I imagine it to be. Thanks for the info, and I will definitely get a face mask; thanks for the link, deadlift. I'm glad to have experience driving in non-western countries, and I'll remember to expect the unexpected when on the road in Vietnam.
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3. Get in there and schrage!
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I've never heard this before, but I like it! Will do!
Take care,
Sira |
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tefl peasant

Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I still don't have one, however. |
I'm curious, are you going to blame the "moneysucking" police when you do get pulled over, fined, and your bike taken? |
No. I never said that. It's not about "moneysucking" police. Not at all.
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Foreigners driving with no license was a real problem that they addressed and they gave us fair warning that this was going to happen. At the same time they also made the whole process to get one much easier. This crackdown was one of many, including helmets, that were started a few years ago and all of them, except this one, were enforced much more on the locals. |
Warning? When?
Ask a local if they have a driver's license. I have not meant one, yet.
Process get much easier? I know the process. Easier?
That's an opinion.
The driving test is a JOKE. Drive in a figure-8, without your feet touching the ground. But many local women could not do this. But They got their license. |
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