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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
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But if a teacher does it, they�re labelled as losers on here?
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Rub yer eyes and read again...the quote was "runners are losers"...full stop! I don't remember assigning a pedagogical bent to the term...
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Just a reminder...this is an ESL forum-site so I would assume were talking only about teachers...not pilots etc.
I've been in the ESL biz for over 12 years and have only known one fellow -roomate (back in the early days of my career when sharing was the norm) that did a runner...woke up one morning to go to work and his room was empty! He had flown the coop under the cover of darkness.
Runners usually run because they lack confidence in their ability to cope with the present situation. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a reminder...this is an ESL forum-site so I would assume were talking only about teachers...not pilots etc. |
Could you alert 007 of that fact, please? Reminding me of what kind of board of this is is all fine and dandy, but, as always, I stand by my statement..."Runners are losers".
I feel the same way about welfare witches. Hell, they could've been lawyers in a previous incarnation! Welfare witches are disgusting creatures that suck off of the public good.
I was recently alerted informed of a recent collegue who pulled a runner...guess what...he's a loser! Forget that he was a Business teacher.
You might forget, but many of us work shoulder-to-shoulder with content-area teachers and reserve the right to comment on them as well as EFLers...
And...don't EVEN get me started of the ol' "assume" ditty...
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I can recall a few 'colleagues' I heartily wished had done runners. No such luck though! One was rather volatile (a polite description) and you sort of never knew what he might be capable of doing. Sometimes when I was in the teachers' room preparing for a class, he'd be getting all het up about something and I'd wonder if I should also be getting ready to take evasive action: ducking, weaving and rolling etc. This was just in case objects were suddenly hurled around the room. It never happened but I'd be a bit on edge. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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NCTBA my comment was intended for... Hod. Guess I should have just re-quoted him...
Yes on the surface...it is easy to write some one off as a looser because of their actions, but just maybe there is more to it...maybe  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Although I highly respect NCTBA, I have to disagree with his idea that people who pull runners are losers. For the record, I've never pulled a runner. BUt I could understand why people might. If employers don't release you, even if you say your family is sick, that could be a reason to leave. Totally incompetant bosses ( Iknow that many are a bit incompetant) could be another. Um, how about unwanted sexual advances? Being physically threatened? I'd leave if I were in those latter situations.
While there are situations that can be discussed, personally there are ones that I wouldn't want to stick around to discuss. |
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Madame J
Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 239 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I had a friend who left halfway through her contract because she'd been sexually assaulted and didn't feel safe in the city anymore. She broke her contract the proper way rather than running, but I wouldn't have blamed her if she'd chosen to run. She had to pay about $500 to break contract. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Points well-taken, ng123 (erm...321 )...I had the selfish in mind. I certanly see yer points...
I've had really bad experiences, but wuz able to make it out. However, sometimes, I had to anticipate and out-think my opponent...
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Madame J wrote: |
| I had a friend who left halfway through her contract because she'd been sexually assaulted and didn't feel safe in the city anymore. She broke her contract the proper way rather than running, but I wouldn't have blamed her if she'd chosen to run. She had to pay about $500 to break contract. |
Sometimes...the distinction between running and escaping is blurred...as long as the runner isn't th' one doing th' blurring to "justify" the selfish deed...
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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With any job you don't really know what you're letting yourself in for until you're there doing it. That includes colleagues you'll be working with as well as employers, students, conditions and so on. It's so much more the 'unknown' if you're heading overseas and possibly to a country you've never been to before and language you don't know. Some people hit the ground running for whatever reason; some don't regardless of how decent things may be. You don't always know your own capacity to cope or not cope, in particular with challenging situations, until you're 'tested'.
If you have to get out in a hurry, if you can, then you have to. It's often for a good reason but the extent to which that might annoy those left behind probably depends on how much it directly impacts on them in terms of having to pick up abandoned classes, future contract conditions, general atmosphere etc. I've always seen it through or given the required notice period but have known a few who've 'run'. I've not blamed them for it but also understand the negative result that can leave in its wake.
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| If I like your story, I will refrain from using real names of people or schools. |
I'd have to pick up on one of Denise's points made earlier on: Why provide details on such stories for the benefit of an anonymous poster when it's not clear what'll happen to them? |
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Sadebugo
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:18 am Post subject: |
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i concur with previous posters but just to add my 2 cents:
why would anyone do a runner ??
just say you want to leave. they can't put hancuffs on you or chain you to your classroom door .... well,not in most countries.
just fulfill whatever obligations you signed up to and you're off. easy.
if there are people out there who have done a runner, ....whatever happened to growing up ?
anyways, runners only affect your colleagues. your employer wouldn't care a monkeys unless you walked off with their dosh.
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I agree that a lot of people do runners just because they tire of the job. However, I have personally witnessed situations where instructors ran for fear of their boss. In one, the boss was attempting to enter the female instructor's apartment for nefarious reasons late at night. In another situation, a different boss threatened the instructor with reporting her to the police for stealing a TV out of her own apartment. The TV never existed and the boss was only doing this to compel her to sign a new contract. In both cases, the instructors had to leave before they finished their original contracts.
Was there a solution that would have enabled them to avoid doing runners? Probably, but most people panic and try to escape when confronted with such situations especially in countries that don't have functioning labor laws and/or where they police may not be objective.
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basiltherat
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I agree that a lot of people do runners just because they tire of the job. However, I have personally witnessed situations where instructors ran for fear of their boss. In one, the boss was attempting to enter the female instructor's apartment for nefarious reasons late at night. In another situation, a different boss threatened the instructor with reporting her to the police for stealing a TV out of her own apartment. The TV never existed and the boss was only doing this to compel her to sign a new contract. In both cases, the instructors had to leave before they finished their original contracts.
Was there a solution that would have enabled them to avoid doing runners? Probably, but most people panic and try to escape when confronted with such situations especially in countries that don't have functioning labor laws and/or where they police may not be objective. |
fair dinkum
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| "Runners are losers". |
Spare blanket anyone? I need to make a statement.
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I'm going to justify my apparent snipe. Someone has come to this forum with an idea for an interesting thread only to be struck down with loser comments. Others who would have posted runner stories might then be afraid or embarrassed to do so. I say ignore such opinions, because that�s all they are, and post. |
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johntpartee
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone has come to this forum with an idea for an interesting thread only to be struck down with loser comments |
Bravo.
Runners are justified in many instances. No one should have to tolerate harassment; happens quite often. Foreigners are frequently treated as childish or clownish (especially in China). Sometimes it's the ONLY way. |
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nickpellatt
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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I have only met one runner too, I think they are quite rare really, and perhaps most dont have interesting stories either.
The runner I met was a Phd holder, who spent her training week telling me (boring me) all her ideas about language learning (although she had never actually taught language). We shared a class of 6 adult learners, and she spent her first 3x90 min classes (with the same class I should add) doing introductions.
As one might imagine ... the students didnt like that too much.
She then vanished on the third night of her first teaching week, left a really rude letter in her apartment complaining about the students, the school owner, the administration, said the apartment was too noisy and suggested all the other teachers felt the same!
Not much of a story really. I would guess 1 in 100 do a runner, and of those figures, 1 in 100 are justified. But that is just a wild guess of course |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| "Runners are losers". |
Spare blanket anyone? |
Fair-ish, enuf. However, after being reminded by ng123 (erm...321 )about what females might be coinfronted with, I clarified my statement and confined it to selfish motivations and made a distinction between it and escaping, which is an entirely different story.
You've taken yer cherry-picking, cheap shot and you know it...happy with yerself...much???
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