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killthebuddha
Joined: 06 Jul 2010
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Location: Assigned to the Imperial Gourd
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| If I said virtually nothing feel free to stop reading my posts oh wise one. |
Thank You Professor,
"I will. I do."
--ktb |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Advanced degrees & Credentials |
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| killthebuddha wrote: |
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VERY common with some of the ones who have been in EFL for a LONG TIME. They have a bachelor yet no plans on getting an advanced degree so they knock the whole concept, yet SERIOUS employers will always look at one holding an advanced degree as one who is MORE SERIOUS about their career than one who doesn't have the advanced degree.
It's OK...as I said, VERY common among bachelor degree holders to knock the concept of higher ed. |
Dear Professor,
(May I call you that? Should I call you that? Are you tenured?) Your generalizations amount to nothing more than an uninformed bigotry. Maybe it's easy to be a good shot when you're aiming at the sky, but how can you expect anyone to take notice? The only reason you caught my eye is that you are an excellent representation of the vicious cycle of the mine-laden ESL field. To wit, your English is poor and your reason fails because of this. To guarantee (to employers) your superior teaching abilities you probably obtained an "advanced" TESOL degree without improving your English, and you obviously expect this degree to cover a multitude of sins. This fault has created hubris in you and has rendered your pronouncements empty and your judgments unsound.
No doubt you are, by now, in charge of hiring for your institution. The fact that you eschew any help with your English may indicate that you fancy yourself an administrator, or as someone who is otherwise "above that." Congratulations. I bow to your superiority. You deflect and avoid very well. To borrow from Rodney Dangerfield, "You care a lot...about what I have no idea." You are a true master. Please take me as your disciple. My first task will be to help you with your OP, as originally offered. Will you consent?
--ktb |
Please enlighten me buddha. Help me with my grammar and writing skills oh wise one.  |
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bulgogiboy
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Professor,
You're a troll. Stop boring everybody.
Best regards,
Bulgogiboy.
P.s. Merry Christmas!  |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| bulgogiboy wrote: |
Dear Professor,
You're a troll. Stop boring everybody.
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Let's see, all I did was to post something about the importance of having advanced degrees and/or credentials and I was basically attacked for that.
Apparently there are many who think getting a Masters is a waste of time. I'm still not sure why all of the attacks were directed towards me for mentioning the importance of having a masters degree.
But I'm used to that so...
A troll?? Why do you say that bul?????? And if I'm boring you, stop reading my posts. Pretty simple really. No need to complicate this. |
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killthebuddha
Joined: 06 Jul 2010
Posts: 144
Location: Assigned to the Imperial Gourd
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Advanced degrees & Credentials |
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Thank You Professor,
Below is your OP, and below that are the corrections in parentheses. I shall put it all back together at the end.
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From my personal experience living and teaching in Mexico City for the past two and a half years, I would say that it's VERY important for newbies who are thinking about getting into the EFL profession to have the following.
CELTA
After this the experience and then one or even two masters that are in Education and or TESOL specifically.
Have advanced degrees from people who have actually accomplished something teaching you their wisdom is CRITICAL. Plus, having a CELTA and a masters or two shows serious employers (Asia and the Middle East) that YOU are serious about the EFL profession. True, long term goals but they will benefit you greatly in the future.
Keep your future in mind not just the next party. |
From (my) (personal) (Choose one; using both is redundant.) experience(,) (An antecedent prepositional phrase is usually set off by a comma.) (Alternatively, insert OF and eliminate the need here for a comma.) living and teaching in Mexico City for the past two and a half years, I would say that it's VERY important for newbies (who are thinking about getting into) (CONSIDERING is better.) the EFL profession to have the following(.) (This should be a colon, except that a colon is properly reserved for lists or for clarification by a subordinate dependent clause; even then, the article THE is required for CELTA.) (Better is �TO HAVE THE CELTA.�)
CELTA
After this (,) (Antecedent prepositional phrases are usually set off by a comma.) (ACQUIRE or another verb is necessary here, and for any sentence.) experience and (then) (This is either implied, and therefore unnecessary, or it is unnecessary as a practical matter. In either case, THEN should be omitted.) one or even two master(')s (A master�s degree is always in the possessive case.) (that are) (Omit this as redundant.) in Education and (/) or (The forward slash is now accepted as standard punctuation.) TESOL (specifically) (This is redundant; you�ve already specified which master�s to seek).
(Have) (HAVING) advanced degrees (from people who have actually accomplished something teaching you their wisdom) (Is this their accomplishment?) ( Better is �, AND BENEFITTING FROM THE WISDOM OF ACCOMPLISHED TEACHERS,�) (Better still is �FROM ACCOMPLISHED TEACHERS WHO CAN BESTOW WISDOM�) is CRITICAL. ( Best, and simplest, is to avoid the passive voice. Had you used the active voice you would not have confused the instructors� accomplishments.) Plus, having a CELTA and a master(�)s or two shows serious employers ((IN) Asia and the Middle East) (Asia and the Middle East are not employers per se.) that YOU are serious about the EFL profession. True, (THESE ARE) (The main clause requires a verb.) long term goals(,) (A subordinate clause that does not directly relate back to the verb of the main clause should be set off by a comma.) but they will benefit you greatly in the future.
Keep your future in mind(,) (Alternatively, insert AND to displace the otherwise necessary comma) not just the next party.
This is what you meant to say:
From personal experience, living and teaching in Mexico City for the past two and a half years, I would say that it's VERY important for newbies considering the EFL profession to have the CELTA. After this, acquire experience and one or even two master�s in Education and/or TESOL. Getting advanced degrees from accomplished teachers who can bestow wisdom is CRITICAL. Plus, having a CELTA and a master�s or two shows serious employers (in Asia and the Middle East) that YOU are serious about the EFL profession. True, these are long term goals, but they will benefit you greatly in the future.
Keep your future in mind and not just the next party.
Humbly yours,
--ktb |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you KTB, a true writer amd master of the English language you are. |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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You would be OK to teach English 1301 or 1302 back in the States KTB, but what do you teach whereever it is that you are?? I'm sure it's not conversation or social skills.
I'm sure a student would be able to write a great essay after taking a writing class for you but what about SPEAKING NATURALLY in the REAL WORLD??
By the way, I thought you were going to ignore my posts from now on. |
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killthebuddha
Joined: 06 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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My Pleasure Professor,
And thank you. I love what you've done with the room, by the way.
I can ignore posts if asked to, but I cannot ignore cries for help. "There's no higher calling than service." As for what I teach, and to whom I teach it, I'm all over the place. However, my favorite work is helping MATESOLs with grammar, so that they can be more effective teachers.
If you'd like me to ignore further posts of yours I will. It makes no difference to me. But if that's what you want, then please don't call me back into the room as you did above. It's very confusing. What say we agree to not speak again..............starting....now!
--ktb
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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My Pleasure Professor,
And thank you. I love what you've done with the room, by the way. May I quote from my favorite movie? "Who's your decorator, Benihana?" Honestly though, it's magnificent.
--ktb |
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