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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchilada Potosina wrote:
fabfablew wrote:
Ingl�s Individual

Steer clear of this dive if it's anything like the one in SLP that pays $35 pesos an hour... some schools pay less though...


But the big question is, does II provide its teachers with free uniforms? Wink
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingl�s Individual's method is also quite a rip off for the students. Nothing they couldn't get for free online these days.
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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've HEARD that WSI is NOT a good place to work. Financial problems, teachers not getting paid on time or at all.
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fabfablew



Joined: 21 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, everyone, for your thoughts on the schools.

Here are a few others to add to the above list, if you have opinions about them:
Universidad del Valle de M�xico (UVM)
Universidad Tecnol�gica de M�xico (UNITEC)
Universidad ICEL
Universidad del Pedregal
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Enchilada Potosina



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fabfablew wrote:
Universidad del Valle de M�xico (UVM)

These vary from state to state but avoid like the plague the one in SLP. Typical school for rich brats with no class who think they're entitled to pass just because daddy paid. Unfortunately the administration thinks the same way. Also known as the universidad del vago de m�xico...
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fieldsofbarley



Joined: 12 Nov 2010
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IH will make you work like a dog?? I teach less than 4 hours a day and that�s enough for me to live on, plus they have always respected my requests when it comes to schedules/time off etc. Granted, I spend a considerable amount of time travelling around the city, but this is Mexico City, and I knew what I was getting into. So, they�re not the best, but they�re not bad either, especially if you lack experience.

ITESM - I interviewed with them (Estado de Mexico campus) and despite my lack of experience at the time, I was offered a high-paying position. Drawbacks were location and bureaucracy (I was on a tourist visa at the time and didn�t have my documents apostilled).

Can�t comment on the other options, although UVM seems to get consistent bad rap.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a first gig, the best job is one that pays on time, helps you as a new teacher with support, let's you teach different classes/groups etc.

In this respect, I think that a newbie should bite the bullet and go to work in a language school. I would NOT want to deal with the Ss in a colegio (or a uni, for that matter) without first having a strong background in TEFL. Better six months in a language school learning the ropes with support and not having to deal with classroom discipline as well as other fun things...
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice from Prof. Gringo. Though I had experience teaching Spanish as a foreign language before coming to Mexico to teach English for the first time, I was still pretty much of a greenhorn. I taught at a language school for a few months in Mexico City and then at a university in Cuernavaca for the summer. Both jobs helped ease me into TEFL.
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fabfablew



Joined: 21 Dec 2010
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for all the info on schools, and thanks Prof. and Isla for the advice w/r/t language schools vs. unis/colegios. All of your comments have been quite helpful.

I agree that, as a newbie, support and training, as well as being able to teach interested adults vs. less interested kids, are the most important considerations in terms of where I should start. Beyond that, it seems like the process of getting my FM3 and pulling together all my documents, and being able to work in the meantime, will be much less of a headache if I do it through a language school. So most of the arrows are pointing me in the language-school direction.

I would also like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for the ESLCafe Mexico forum in general. Most of the threads have been really beneficial and interesting for me as a newbie to both TEFL and to Mexico. I like the wide variety of perspectives, positive and negative, about various aspects of the Mexico TEFL scene.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fieldsofbarley wrote:


ITESM - I interviewed with them (Estado de Mexico campus) and despite my lack of experience at the time, I was offered a high-paying position. Drawbacks were location and bureaucracy (I was on a tourist visa at the time and didn�t have my documents apostilled).


If you'd had apostilled documents, would the Tec have gotten you an FM3?
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fieldsofbarley



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they would have done it - or at least that�s what they said
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fieldsofbarley wrote:
Yes they would have done it - or at least that�s what they said


I think they would have - it's a very reputable university. Did you know about the need to have your documents apostilled before arriving in Mexico? Did IH ask for apostilled documents?
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PlayadelSoul



Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration varies from place to place. I do all the paperwork for my foreign teachers (they do the waiting in line) and haven't been asked for an apostile in ages. An oficial translation with a seal, yes, but not apostile.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a lawyer in Mexico City to get my FM3. He wanted my apostilled documents but no translations seemed to be required. Requirements do vary from place to place, so the best advice is to have all your documents in order and apostilled because you never know what the INM office in your town will ask for.
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TeresaLopez



Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:
I used a lawyer in Mexico City to get my FM3. He wanted my apostilled documents but no translations seemed to be required. Requirements do vary from place to place, so the best advice is to have all your documents in order and apostilled because you never know what the INM office in your town will ask for.


I have translated for a number of people getting FM2 and FM3�s and even though there is a list on Immigration�s website telling what you need, what has actually been asked for has even varied from person to person. This may be a no brainer, but I have found that smiling a lot and thanking them for their time helps a LOT. So better to have anything you might need. And, I would go to Immigration first and ask for a list of translator�s they will accept, the last time I went with someone they had to take it to an official translator even though it was already translated. Ditto for photos, they can be very picky about how they want them, and your everyday run of the mill photographer won�t know just how to do them. That is in Mexico City, as others have mentioned it varies from place to place.
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