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sharonariel
Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: Changzhou, Jiangsu
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So it means you would have to work illegally!
Some provinces will issue FEC's to black people - maybe you should look elsewhere. If the school / recruiter asks for a copy of your passport, be ready for a rejection.
I had the same problem when I was a DOS. I hired a coloured American, and managed to get the invitation letter etc. without the parent school seeing his passport - he was a great teacher.
Next time I tried, for a guy from Ghana who had a MA TESOL, and spoke some of the best English I've ever heard - not a cat in hell's chance. They asked for a copy of his passport - door well and truly closed!
It sucks, but that, unfortunately, is the way it is. |
Probably due to being from Ghana, not due to being black per se. |
DEFINITELY due to being black. Something like 95% of schools here don't hire black people. In some cases, they won't say why. In many other cases, they are sufficiently bumpkinish (or maybe one could say "sufficiently honest") to just come right out and say "Sorry, we don't hire black people here" or "My boss says we needn't a black teacher." |
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sharonariel
Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: Changzhou, Jiangsu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:26 am Post subject: |
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To blame a whole province for what one DOS/FAO has told you is wrong.
SAFEA did not say the province would not give you a FEC, the school did.
Honestly, I wouldn't hire you either if I knew you were gonna post your boss' phone number on a public forum. That is a little unprofessional.
Good luck. |
1. The person is neither a DOS nor a FAO. She is the OWNER of the school. 2. The phone number of the owner is public information, because that is the way that potential applicants contact her. 3. The phrase "professional EFL teacher in China" is an oxymoron. If you've been in this game long enough (and don't already know why it is an oxymoron), then I'll give you some time to think about it. And if you still can't figure it out, then spend some time reading the forum. |
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Gamecock
Joined: 18 Nov 2003
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Location: Zhuhai, China
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So you believe the owner of a school without actually checking if the facts are true? You do know that Chinese people LIE to avoid uncomfortable confrontations, right?
GD province does not refuse to issue FEC's based on skin color. By nationality, yes, but not by skin color. I know several black people here in GD who are working legally with an FEC. |
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TexasHighway
Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: |
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To the OP, I wonder if this all has to do with your problems with Changzhou International School and your dealings there with the State Bureau of Foreign Experts. In your previous posts, I see you were also concerned about a foreign experts blacklist. Though technicallly you may not be on a blacklist, it appears someone may have put out a word on you.
1. Actually, I don't think it does. I've found out that if you just don't put the names of your employers on your CV, then most Chinese employers won't bother to ask about the gap. 2. When I went to the Labor Bureau, they ruled in my favor. And so, too, did the State Bureau of Foreign Experts. |
Just because the State Bureau ruled in your favor doesn't mean you are off the hook. You may have won the battle but lost the war. Chinese officials and school administrators do not like foreigners who make waves. Whether or not you had a legitimate reason to do so is irrelevant. It seems fairly or unfairly, you have been labeled a troublemaker. And I do believe Chinese schools and government bureaucrats talk to each other. I don't believe the line you were given that FECs cannot be issued to black people. |
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dog backwards
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| +2 to Gamecock and TexasHighway. |
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sharonariel
Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: Changzhou, Jiangsu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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TexasHighway wrote:
To the OP, I wonder if this all has to do with your problems with Changzhou International School and your dealings there with the State Bureau of Foreign Experts. In your previous posts, I see you were also concerned about a foreign experts blacklist. Though technicallly you may not be on a blacklist, it appears someone may have put out a word on you.
1. Actually, I don't think it does. I've found out that if you just don't put the names of your employers on your CV, then most Chinese employers won't bother to ask about the gap. 2. When I went to the Labor Bureau, they ruled in my favor. And so, too, did the State Bureau of Foreign Experts. |
Just because the State Bureau ruled in your favor doesn't mean you are off the hook. You may have won the battle but lost the war. Chinese officials and school administrators do not like foreigners who make waves. Whether or not you had a legitimate reason to do so is irrelevant. It seems fairly or unfairly, you have been labeled a troublemaker. And I do believe Chinese schools and government bureaucrats talk to each other. I don't believe the line you were given that FECs cannot be issued to black people. |
No, that is not quite right.
I'm sorry to get in the way with the facts on this one, and the details are a bit fancy, so I'll take them point by point.
1. I went to the Changzhou State Bureau of Foreign Experts, and I asked them if I was on any blacklist. They said that I wasn't, and showed me the blacklist. (I have written about this in another post.) The blacklist is updated quarterly, but for some reason they didn't update it on the last quarter. The office worker was also nice enough to let me see my record in the computer, and there was nothing negative that I could see.
2. When I talked to the other school, they were in Guangdong province.
3. Guangdong Province's State Bureau of Foreign Experts is not the same as Jiangsu's.
4. When I talked to the people at the Guangdong school, I first did not send them a scan of my passport. I just sent them a professional photo of me. (That is when they tried to offer me the 1,500RMB per month salary package. The other choice was that they gave me 7,000 per month but that I had to pay my visa and apartment expenses.)
5. The conversation of the boss about how Guangdong does not issue Foreign Experts Certificates to black people was long before she saw my passport.
6. The boss of the school has access to the computer system, but that is only granted after she goes to the State Bureau and fills out some form that states that she is hiring a new teacher. Then she can have access to it.
7. When I first contacted the school, I talked to another person-- some flunky and not the boss. That person's job was to find hot bodies for her boss to review/ interview. So, when we talked over several phone calls, she told me that there was a position there. I asked her for a contract (just to be clear that there actually was a job), and she said that only her boss could give me one (this is after she tried to offer me a job for 1500RMB per month on the condition that they paid all the visa fees and accommodation/ meals). So, I told her that I was not interested to spend the money to come down there for what would only be an interview. (I've been down that road before with the lying Alcanta College.) The flunky said "Oh, I'm sure that my boss will hire you if all the documents that you gave me are true." (So, it is at this point that I *knew* that there is no concrete job.) From there, she passed me over to her boss (gave me the woman's phone number.) So, I talked to the boss, and the boss had never even seen my passport (because that was the job of her underling). When I talked to the boss again, she told me that even if my documents were true, that she could only hire me illegally because the State Bureau of Foreign Experts didn't issue licenses to blacks. If she knew from the beginning that I am black, then there is no need to check me out on the SBFEA system because they won't authorize a permit for me anyway.
8. You should know that this can be the case (that the Guangdong government might arbitrarily not issue FECs to people whose color they don't like.) . Point #1: The law in China can be any thing at any time. Point #2: We are in a country of peasants who don't understand that race and language are not linked. Point #3: There are a huge number of Africans infesting Guangzhou, and I can see the strategy of the Chinese government in not letting people who don't understand the concept of underarm deodorant get too comfortable here in China. (They are not idiots like the US government. Mexicans may recolonize the Southwest of the United States, but Africans WILL NOT colonize China.)
So, -4 to Gamecock and Texashighway.
9. I might also mention that the offer kept evolving. First they said they would put me in dormitory. Then they said that they would pay a deposit for an apartment for me if they could hold onto my passport. |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| We are in a country of peasants |
If that is your attitude, then maybe you are in the wrong country. |
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sharonariel
Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: Changzhou, Jiangsu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not pejorative. It's just a statement of fact. Something like 80% of the country lives in the countryside. And do you think that people will easily leave behind their mentalities JUST because of a change of location? I mean, what else could be going on when you see people's babies attending to toilet functions any and everyplace? Or spitting on floors every and anywhere. |
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wangdaning
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I am really getting confused by this thread. Is the OP trying to defend the position in which they were questioning?
Several posters have stated they know black people in GD with foreign expert certificates, not sure about licenses. The job you describe was crap from the get go.
sharonariel
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| From there, she passed me over to her boss (gave me the woman's phone number.) So, I talked to the boss, and the boss had never even seen my passport (because that was the job of her underling). When I talked to the boss again, she told me that even if my documents were true, that she could only hire me illegally because the State Bureau of Foreign Experts didn't issue licenses to blacks. |
Perhaps there was no conversation, viewing the computer, the boss simply saw your passport (the underling let her see the email). It is not new that employers make up laws to justify their actions. |
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Gamecock
Joined: 18 Nov 2003
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Location: Zhuhai, China
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| Wow...just wow! |
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blitzkrig
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Don't think it's true.
Sounds more like a white lie or an excuse for your employer not to hire you. |
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A'Moo
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: a supermarket that sells cheese
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not pejorative. It's just a statement of fact. Something like 80% of the country lives in the countryside. And do you think that people will easily leave behind their mentalities JUST because of a change of location? I mean, what else could be going on when you see people's babies attending to toilet functions any and everyplace? Or spitting on floors every and anywhere. |
That could be construed as an insensitive comment.
What if these employers base their hiring practises on statistics such as, in the US, blacks are ten times more likely to commit an indictable offense, 15 times more likely to be the recipient of government cheese(aid), and 20 times less likely to obtain a college degree?
Its not pejorative. Its just a statement of fact. |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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(They are not idiots like the US government. Mexicans may recolonize the Southwest of the United States, but Africans WILL NOT colonize China.)
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Wow. And you have the nerve to be up in arms about racism directed AT you, but feel perfectly free to make racist comments about other groups....................interesting. |
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