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the peanut gallery
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| Sticking your watch up your rectum a al Pulp Fiction is the way to go Prof. The same preventative measures adopted in a North Vietnamese prison work just as well on the bus in DF mate! |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| notamiss wrote: |
I personally know 2 people this happened to in DF. One took place about 10 years ago, the other a few months ago.
My anecdotal data don�t support a recent increase in frequency, but anecdotal data aren�t reliable for telling anything about trends in general.
What is the evidence for a recent increase? |
Thanks for the post.
I had never even heard of this happening a few years ago, now I hear about it everyweek from friends, students, family etc.
I would welcome ANY statistics anyone would care to provide. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| the peanut gallery wrote: |
| Sticking your watch up your rectum a al Pulp Fiction is the way to go Prof. The same preventative measures adopted in a North Vietnamese prison work just as well on the bus in DF mate! |
Thanks for the advice 
Think I'll just leave the watch at home... might be too hard to just tell time doing it the PF/Nam prison way! |
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Spector
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of scale are we talking about here though? If, for example, I were to take a bus to work five days a week for a year, what chance would I have of being a victim of an armed bus robbery? Would it be a 20% chance? 10% chance? |
So... let see I get this right: If there is only a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus in Mexico City, that's acceptable?
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When did I say that a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus was acceptable? |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Spector wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Spector wrote: |
What kind of scale are we talking about here though? If, for example, I were to take a bus to work five days a week for a year, what chance would I have of being a victim of an armed bus robbery? Would it be a 20% chance? 10% chance? |
So... let see I get this right: If there is only a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus in Mexico City, that's acceptable?
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When did I say that a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus was acceptable? |
My bad.
But I think even a 10% chance is WAY too close for comfort. |
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Spector
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Spector wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Spector wrote: |
What kind of scale are we talking about here though? If, for example, I were to take a bus to work five days a week for a year, what chance would I have of being a victim of an armed bus robbery? Would it be a 20% chance? 10% chance? |
So... let see I get this right: If there is only a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus in Mexico City, that's acceptable?
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When did I say that a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus was acceptable? |
My bad.
But I think even a 10% chance is WAY too close for comfort. |
I totally agree with you. But that's why I asked about the scale of these crimes. As someone who doesn't live there- but may be visiting soon- I'd like to know to what degree this is happening, just to give me a better picture. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Spector wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Spector wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Spector wrote: |
What kind of scale are we talking about here though? If, for example, I were to take a bus to work five days a week for a year, what chance would I have of being a victim of an armed bus robbery? Would it be a 20% chance? 10% chance? |
So... let see I get this right: If there is only a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus in Mexico City, that's acceptable?
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When did I say that a 10% or 20% chance of getting robbed on a bus was acceptable? |
My bad.
But I think even a 10% chance is WAY too close for comfort. |
I totally agree with you. But that's why I asked about the scale of these crimes. As someone who doesn't live there- but may be visiting soon- I'd like to know to what degree this is happening, just to give me a better picture. |
I don't think you can rely upon statistics for things like this anywhere in Mexico.
Most crimes such as robbery are NEVER reported, sorry, as we all know those statistics either don't exist, are under-reported or manipulated by the govt.
Bus robbery is a very real and dangerous problem in the Mexico City area. |
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TeresaLopez
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
BTW these attacks have all been on local transport in the DF/Estado de Mexico metro area. |
This is really nothing new, not here is Mexico, not anywhere. If there has been a recent spike, I haven�t seen anything in the newspaper, nor I hear anything from anyone I know. Would be interested in knowing where you got your info.
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Samantha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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It might be a sign of the times (as in bad economic times). Buses on more remote routes here were getting hit all of a sudden over the past few months, so they cancelled a bunch of runs after a certain hour, to protect both drivers and passengers. Some routes were cancelled altogether.
It's easy for bandits to disappear into all that traffic on foot or a moto, never to be seen again, in such a large city as the capital. If it really were a problem on public transport in DF, why wouldn't they step up security, or at least warn people ? Our reporters here are like white on rice when stuff like this happens. |
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the peanut gallery
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess the authorities are not too concerned about it. Why else would they neglect a public safety concern? |
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gregd75
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| the peanut gallery wrote: |
| I guess the authorities are not too concerned about it. Why else would they neglect a public safety concern? |
Maybe because people don't bother to report the crimes.
If it's not reported, then how would the authorities know to do something?
I remember the street light in front of the school wa sout for over a year. I was furious- I remember saying why don't they do something about it. Why are the authorities so inept, etc etc.
THEN I remembered- in England I would have phoned the council to report it, but I hadn't even thought about doing it here. So, we phoned, we reported it and the light was changed in 48 hours.
There is very much 'nanny state' culture here. The change starts with us. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| the peanut gallery wrote: |
| I guess the authorities are not too concerned about it. Why else would they neglect a public safety concern? |
The govt. security forces in Mexico have their hands full with the drug war.
As far as security in the Mexico City area goes, I see police officers stopping buses all the time to get bribes, but I still see buses that are nothing more than rolling scrap heaps in service.
Again, untrained drivers, poorly paid and undertrained transit cops, a passive attitude from people in general and a complacent government that chooses to ignore the laws and regulations already on the books and overall lax enforcement result in a poor-transit system (esp. in Mexico State).
I have seen three fare increases in as many years and the service is just as bad if not worse.
At least in the DF they are investing in the MetroBus system and the RTP buses. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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At least in the DF they are investing in the MetroBus system and the RTP buses. |
One of the many reasons I like living in Mexico City! |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
At least in the DF they are investing in the MetroBus system and the RTP buses. |
One of the many reasons I like living in Mexico City! |
I've always thought a monorail system would work well. Leaves the street relatively free, safer from the aforementioned attacks and I'd imagine cheaper, given the building of stations on the Metrob�s, the extra road surfacing and the cost of the buses. |
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the peanut gallery
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying cars mate, thats the answer. Werent we promised them a few decades ago? Im more than willing to rock a silver jumpsuit if it means i get one! |
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