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Going to China before having a job?
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Going to China before having a job? Reply with quote

TeresaLopez wrote:
mrthingy wrote:
Hi,

I'm thinking of coming to China, specificly Beijing, to do some TELF work.


Grammar police alert! If this isn�t your cup of tea don�t read any further.

You wouldn�t say coming to China, but rather going to China.

You use COME when you are asking someone else to move from where they are to where you are.

Can you come to my house for dinner.
I want a repairman to come to my house and fix the leaky roof.

You use GO when you move from one place to another.

I wish I didn�t have to go to work tonight.
I am getting ready to go to a restaurant to eat luck.


Meaning determines use. Proscriptivists have no place teaching English.
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
lee_barttwater wrote:
Why on earth would you leave the comfort and safety of your home country, move to a new continent - to a place with no job, no secured housing, no income, etc.?

Also, for the record, it is ILLEGAL to enter China (as is also the case with MOST countries) for the purposes other than your issued visa. Why is it so difficult for people to understand this fact?


you are a sad pathetic person


There are those who in fact, find themselves in terrible circumstances after disregarding the points made by Lee_Barttwater.

We might differ on how he worded his cautionary note, but fundamentally, isn't his point valid -that coming to China for employment under false pretenses with no employment or housing secured can be a quite risky move? That it is also illegal is beyond dispute isn't it?

It might be more instructive to attack the argument rather than the person making the argument.

Calling someone names doesn't advance the discussion at all. If you have actual rebuttals to his points, why not make them and let them be examined in the marketplace of ideas rather than linger as graffiti on these forum walls?

Cheers.
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mat chen



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Location: xiangtan hunan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Tea Time, I too was going to attack you for things you have said to me in the past. But I agree with what you said in this last post. I agree with the poster and as a long time EFL teacher who has worked in many countries I think the smart thing, is to come to a country and check out what is going on before getting trapped in a job you cannot do and won't be paid for doing. I was told this from my teachers of ESL at McGill University. See the old teachers pass the torch and get to do a good job. There are good positions teaching English in China. Being here has been rewarding for me. But this is China which has had a history of not liking foreigners. Up untill thirty years ago we all had to live in the same hotel up in Beijing. China changes like the seasons.
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clownshow



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with the poster and as a long time EFL teacher who has worked in many countries I think the smart thing, is to come to a country and check out what is going on before getting trapped in a job you cannot do and won't be paid for doing.


Good post and legal to boot. There is nothing illegal about coming to China to check out employment and then securing legal status by either in-county change of Visa or heading to Hong Kong.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's no secret that you can ask for the email addresses of current and former teachers and find out as much, and quite possibly more than you would by a site visit.

Can someone estimate the cost of traveling to China and spending thirty days traveling, staying in foreign approved hotels, taxis, etc to get that ideal job? Oh, I'd guess you'd need to hire an interpreter too if you don't speak Chinese and the school leaders don't.

I'm just wondering, how much more per month are we talking here, 10,000 RMB, 20,000?

I know school owners would love to have prospective teachers come and do a demo class on their own dime. I'm just trying to see how it benefits, and how much per month, the teacher.

So, advocates of flying over and interviewing on your own dime, how much did you bank after expenses?
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wave5



Joined: 18 Feb 2011
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Location: London/Yokohama

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a related question.

How much money do you think you would need for the Following?
1. Arrive in Hong Kong.
2. Enter China on a tourist visa.
3. Look for work (teaching mainly adults) in Shenzhen on the tourist visa, while staying in inexpensive hostels.
4. Leave to change my tourist visa to a Z-visa in Hong Kong.
5. Return to Shenzhen and survive the first month before first paycheck.

I should note that I'm over 25 years old, a native speaker, have a Bachelor's degree, TEFL certificate and several years teaching experience and I'm fit and healthy and well-groomed. Smile

How long do you think it would take to find work? Thanks Smile
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LanGuTou



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave5 wrote:
I have a related question.

How much money do you think you would need for the Following?
1. Arrive in Hong Kong.
2. Enter China on a tourist visa.
3. Look for work (teaching mainly adults) in Shenzhen on the tourist visa, while staying in inexpensive hostels.
4. Leave to change my tourist visa to a Z-visa in Hong Kong.
5. Return to Shenzhen and survive the first month before first paycheck.

I should note that I'm over 25 years old, a native speaker, have a Bachelor's degree, TEFL certificate and several years teaching experience and I'm fit and healthy and well-groomed. Smile

How long do you think it would take to find work? Thanks Smile


Probably be far quicker and cheaper if you have a few interviews lined up before arriving in Shenzhen. Search the internet especially sites like Shenzhen Party, Geocities.com and this one. I am sure with a reasonable search you will be able to find openings of the type you are looking for.

From Shenzhen, you can get a 'z' visa in HK in one or two days. There are plenty of tacky guest houses that you can sleep in for a day or two.

Surviving in SZ will depend on whether accommodation is supplied or not. You may have to stump up 6 or 12 months' advance rent for an apartment if not supplied with the job.

It's hard to come up with a reasonable estimate of costs because there are too many variables. In terms of time requirement, with a bit of forward preparation and interviews lined up, within three weeks could see you up and running. That includes approximately one week for the school to obtain the 'z' visa invitation letter.
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wave5



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Location: London/Yokohama

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply LanGuTou, you are an awesome individual.

Are there lots of jobs teaching adults available, either with accommodation provided, or an accommodation allowance+a bit of help finding an apartment?

Thanks Smile
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