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sistercream



Joined: 18 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyingscotsman wrote:
Mister Al wrote:
sistercream, you don't know what you are talking about. Rolling Eyes


Mister Al is quite correct here...


You're quite right - my bad. Embarassed

I was confusing Z and F. Doh. Am obviously getting too old and stupid for this game.
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flyingscotsman



Joined: 24 Mar 2010
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Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistercream wrote:
flyingscotsman wrote:
Mister Al wrote:
sistercream, you don't know what you are talking about. Rolling Eyes


Mister Al is quite correct here...


You're quite right - my bad. Embarassed

I was confusing Z and F. Doh. Am obviously getting too old and stupid for this game.


Sister it's why Viagra was invented... Welcome to The Club.
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flyingscotsman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roadwalker wrote:


1 Each visa you get costs money. There is no discount for subsequent or renewals or anything like that. Will the employer pay for at least the second visa? If from the US, that's $130 or equivalent each time.



My contract states :" School pays all visa costs". I ask the school to pay for the original visa that got me to China to work for their crappy school. Their answer is no, I must pay for that.

Conclusion : it doesn't matter WHAT THEY TELL YOU or WHAT THEY PUT IN THE CONTRACT. if they want to win, you will lose.
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Warning Bells



Joined: 10 Mar 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't the employer offer you the necessary paperwork for you to get the Z visa before you arrive in China? I don't trust these 'employers' in China who promise to convert tourist visas into proper work visas! This is based on my experience of being burned the hard way. Now, I will no longer say much of anything good about China because of it. This is what happened:
I waited for months before the new term started (after Chinese New Year) to begin my assignment. Then, I paid a lot of money for my tourist visa and transportation to get there.

Once I got there, they were acting like they were doing me a big favour by just picking me up at the train station! These young girls were acting like it was not their job and they were being forced into doing work that is above and beyond the call of duty. Nevermind the fact that this was part of our contractual agreement and I had spent many days travelling just to get there (at my own expense). Based on their rotten attitude, I should have just left, but where was I to go and I didn't have another back-up plan.

Although they promised me (over the phone and in writing) that they would convert my tourist visa into a proper work visa upon arrival, they failed to do so. The company said they would convert it on the last day of my 30 day stamp. That day came around and they said they would help me to get another 30 day extention at the immigration office and that's what they did. In the end, they never gave me a proper work visa. Instead, they said they only had part-time work for me. This was humiliating to say the least.

My recruiter did what she could for me in this case, but I get sick and tired of offers from other places that wanted to test me out on a tourist visa to see if I was 'popular with the students.' I'm still furious with China and all the scams and deceitfulness and I never wish to return.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warning Bells wrote:
Why can't the employer offer you the necessary paperwork for you to get the Z visa before you arrive in China? I don't trust these 'employers' in China who promise to convert tourist visas into proper work visas! This is based on my experience of being burned the hard way. Now, I will no longer say much of anything good about China because of it. This is what happened:
I waited for months before the new term started (after Chinese New Year) to begin my assignment. Then, I paid a lot of money for my tourist visa and transportation to get there.

Once I got there, they were acting like they were doing me a big favour by just picking me up at the train station! These young girls were acting like it was not their job and they were being forced into doing work that is above and beyond the call of duty.

Did they go all the way? In their duties I mean.
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Warning Bells



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:
Warning Bells wrote:
Why can't the employer offer you the necessary paperwork for you to get the Z visa before you arrive in China? I don't trust these 'employers' in China who promise to convert tourist visas into proper work visas! This is based on my experience of being burned the hard way. Now, I will no longer say much of anything good about China because of it. This is what happened:
I waited for months before the new term started (after Chinese New Year) to begin my assignment. Then, I paid a lot of money for my tourist visa and transportation to get there.

Once I got there, they were acting like they were doing me a big favour by just picking me up at the train station! These young girls were acting like it was not their job and they were being forced into doing work that is above and beyond the call of duty.

Did they go all the way? In their duties I mean.

Is this a joke? First of all, their main duty to me was to convert my tourist visa into a proper work visa upon arrival. They also failed to provide me with health insurance (as promised in the contract). Housing was another story I will not even get into here.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Few schools in very, very few locations have the ability to convert an L visa into an FRP.

Failing that, schools can often, or at least sometimes, do a HK visa run.

Problem is, any outfit, licensed or unlicensed, can TELL you they can convert a tourist visa or they will pay for your visa run.

Once you decide to not have a Z visa before you get on the plane, you open up a multitude of possible outcomes.

Choose wisely.

Cheers.
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flyingscotsman



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warning Bells wrote:

Is this a joke? First of all, their main duty to me was to convert my tourist visa into a proper work visa upon arrival. They also failed to provide me with health insurance (as promised in the contract). Housing was another story I will not even get into here.


So you are saying that the Chinese lied to you? this ever happen to anyone else? I THINK its an isolated incident.
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Cocytean



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that it varies quite considerably by location. I'm based in Tianjin, and the local bureau are ADAMANT that anyone applying for a Z visa must do so from outside of China and from their home country. It's really becoming stricter and stricter. Probably due to all the weirdoes and nutjobs who arrive here as 'teachers'.
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