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DMcK



Joined: 12 Jun 2008
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Location: Madrid

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conquense54 wrote:
What you are quoting as your salary is really at the top end of the market for Spain! Many posts still don't offer much more than 1000 euros


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Really, when it comes to this subject, this forum is full of absolute rubbish.

I won't go into details about my lifestyle here but let's just say I dont need to shop in Dia.

If I were responsible with my money I'd have no trouble not working during the summer months when classes in the city are fairly scarce.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry A wrote:
Can't you sign on the dole in Spain, or get some form of benefits when you are not working over the summer? What about unions?


Dole... don't think so. I think you have to have worked for 12 months minimum before you qualify for state benefits. The 9 month contracts therefore screw every teacher over. Never heard of any unions down that way.

Jerry A wrote:
I'm in Finland. Teaching is dead over June, July, August. If work is bad, it can be mid-May - October. We just sign on or get money from the union


It's not really so bad here, I've 18 hours a week this month, dropping to 12 for July and August, plus 6 hours of privates, some of whom will get a bit flaky no doubt as the summer goes on. Still that's more than enough to keep me going till the fun starts all over again in September.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not really so bad here, I've 18 hours a week this month, dropping to 12 for July and August, plus 6 hours of privates, some of whom will get a bit flaky no doubt as the summer goes on. Still that's more than enough to keep me going till the fun starts all over again in September.


But doesn't it irk you, having to work in summer when everyone else is chilling on the beach? Don't you ever wonder what it's all for, if you're not even taking a break somewhere?

Or maybe I'm just comparing too much with Italy. In the one summer I worked here, the only students I had were those that were failing the year and needed to do "recupero" lessons. 1 and a half hour sessions of trying to make even the most basic of vocab stick (let alone any simple grammar) made me lose the will to live. Seriously.
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Conquense54



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teacher in Rome is quite right, having worked so hard through the winter months and then to have to find work to maintain us for the summer is not right. I'm flying to UK tomorrow for first time in two years to work in a UK summer school, which I am not looking forward to at all. As has been pointed out, here in Spain you have to have worked 12 months minimum paying social security to qualify for dole money, which, if you have built up some years contributing, currently stands at around 400 euros a month, maximum of 6 months if you have enough years behind you. Well, that might just pay the rent in some places, but if you have no work you will find it very difficult. Yes, as in Italy, there will be a few (unwilling and not very bright) students for recuperaci�n, ie, they've failed the course and must resit in September or repeat the year. But where I am it gets so hot most people clear off to the beaches, and the town is deserted, and I want to join them, but who's going to pay my bills??!!
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teacher in Rome wrote:
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It's not really so bad here, I've 18 hours a week this month, dropping to 12 for July and August, plus 6 hours of privates, some of whom will get a bit flaky no doubt as the summer goes on. Still that's more than enough to keep me going till the fun starts all over again in September.


But doesn't it irk you, having to work in summer when everyone else is chilling on the beach? Don't you ever wonder what it's all for, if you're not even taking a break somewhere?


Nope. First off, I honestly don't know anyone here who has 3 months summer holiday unless they're unemployed or fantastically rich, so there are very few people to be jealous of or compare myself negatively to. Secondly, I've long gaps in the timetable a couple of days, so can go to the beach then for an hour or two, as it's only 35 minutes away. Thirdly I don't have to work in Summer. I could just sit on my arrse on the beach for 3 months if I wanted to, my non-teaching earnings alone would allow that, but the fact is that I'm in my mid 30s and can no longer ignore "adult" stuff like pensions and savings which I pooh poohed in my 20s. As for the break, me and the missus have taken August off the last two years and had 4/5 weeks holiday, went to Asia 2 years ago and last year around the Balkans and Turkey.

You're also forgetting one thing, it isn't quite as hot here as it is in Spain or Italy: in Summer 25-28 degrees would be a normal temperature so it's not so bad working then. More importantly, the winter months are much more extreme than the med countries, -8 to -10 quite frequent with minus 25 the lowest last winter. Following that I decided that if I stay here for the next academic year, we'll only have a week's holiday in Summer and take 3/4 weeks around January instead and head somewhere warm. Working part time in August in order to have most of January off seems an acceptable trade off to me.

One reason I lurk round these forums though is that I still harbour desires to head to Southern Europe again, even if it means teaching kiddies and crrap like that. If I actually do leave here, then the cash can support us over summers somewhere else instead. That's the plan anyway! Wink
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conquense54 wrote:
Teacher in Rome is quite right, having worked so hard through the winter months and then to have to find work to maintain us for the summer is not right. I'm flying to UK tomorrow for first time in two years to work in a UK summer school, which I am not looking forward to at all. As has been pointed out, here in Spain you have to have worked 12 months minimum paying social security to qualify for dole money, which, if you have built up some years contributing, currently stands at around 400 euros a month, maximum of 6 months if you have enough years behind you. Well, that might just pay the rent in some places, but if you have no work you will find it very difficult. Yes, as in Italy, there will be a few (unwilling and not very bright) students for recuperaci�n, ie, they've failed the course and must resit in September or repeat the year. But where I am it gets so hot most people clear off to the beaches, and the town is deserted, and I want to join them, but who's going to pay my bills??!!


Been there, done that, got the "I just worked 9 months in Spain and all I got is this lousy t-shirt." I tried staying in Valencia one summer but gave up after a few weeks and went back to UK for a bout of mind numbing accounts temping. The weaker pound would even screw up that option now (then the pound was worth 1.44 ~ 1.50 euro.) It's one huge negative for me when I think about going back (along with the kiddies classes) though it's still in my mind to do a year there for a break from the awful winters here.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Jonniboy - didn't mean to force you into justifying your choices! I was just picking up on something you wrote (i.e. the hours you have through the summer months) which made me think you were working all year round - and comparing it to what that would mean in Italy.

If you're thinking of heading to the south Med (I can only really talk about Italy but sounds like it's also relevant to Spain) working life as a TEFL teacher might go something like this:

- busy Oct through to June. Probably with a variety of courses / students / schools unless you had a contract with one place, in which come June, you'd be on your own anyway.

- Either nothing from June to Oct, or "summer school" either in Italy or elsewhere, or recupero lessons. State schools are closed, and businesses are reluctant to have corporate training, as this is the time most people take off on holiday. Most companies will have skeleton staff running through the summer months, and August is completely dead.

Teaching is only part of what I do. I earn enough from it to live on year round (whether or not I teach in summer, which I choose not to do) but have other income sources for boring things like mortgage and taxes. (Which are a far greater outgoing than household bills, I can tell you!)
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think with a little bit of planning and foresight most people can make a good go of it in Spain as a teacher. Especially as 90% of the people who come here to teach leave after two years for different pastures. From the amount of privates alone I could probably go autonomo and earn enough but I actually prefer to work for an academy so I don�t have to do the whole tax and bureacracy.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's okay Teacher in Rome, I understood what you were saying. I've done the Med thing and am still thinking of doing it again, if only for a year, mostly for climate/lifestyle reasons - the winters here are getting me down a bit and I fancy a change. I guess what I was saying was, in Spain I didn't really make enough during the teaching year to survive over the summer and therefore had to mess around going back to UK, here at least I have the option to work part time to support myself if necessary as the summers aren't quite so hot.

Latvian course times are also a bit more flexible. Some places do run the traditional September through June courses but many don't. The place I work runs 5 month courses which can start any time of the year. Inevitably there is less work in the Summer but there's something.
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pr455



Joined: 08 May 2011
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Location: MADRID, SPAIN

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am doing just fine in Spain. Where I work, I get paid between 25� - 64� an hour, but I work at a university, do teacher and language assistant training and do some work on my own, all with a student visa.

Now, before someone chops my head off by saying that I am quoting high amounts, that's because I have been doing language teaching for 18 years and I have aligned myself in the field of bilingual teacher training. Much better than working for an academy.

As far as summer go, well, I do the same thing that I do every year which is a three week teacher training course in July at a university in Madrid and that takes care of my summer and that's more than enough to live on.

The work is out there if one wants it.

Shawn
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