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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work with adults and dont have the above issue TBH. You need to control and direct them more Very Happy I dont go in for 'free talk' very much and I dont encourage it either TBH. Ideally (although not always) my students 'free talk' is tightly controlled to a topic, with certain target language, relating to the issue at hand.

I have been knocked before for not 'teaching' sensitive topics (on this forum, not in class) but I think you can do sensitive stuff, but you have to approach it in a more sensible way. Those who enjoy political things may find it wiser to use something like The Falklands Islands (called The Malvinas in Argentina and on Chinese world maps) and discuss the 'tug of war' that exists with them.

Using other world situations may be helpful in giving students the chance to think about situations closer to home, without stirring up too much controversy in class. (If thats you bag...mostly it isnt mine TBH)
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ymmv



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sainthood wrote:

They will proudly proclaim either Beijing or Xinhua... blissfully ignorant that 6 universities rank higher in the World Rankings than either of those two..


Me too. I'm blissfully ignorant.

Which OTHER six Chinese universities rate higher than Bei Da and "Xinhua" (you mean Qinghua) in the World Rankings?

Cite?
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ymmv



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post

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mdovell



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could kinda dodge it with a few different examples.

You could get into native american tribal land and how they can do things but not to the point of leaving (kinda like a SAR)

There's also a recent trip Obama made to Puerto Rico. Technically it's not a state but it isn't independent either (sound familiar?) Constant conflict between three arguments.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdovell wrote:
you could kinda dodge it with a few different examples.

You could get into native american tribal land and how they can do things but not to the point of leaving (kinda like a SAR)

There's also a recent trip Obama made to Puerto Rico. Technically it's not a state but it isn't independent either (sound familiar?) Constant conflict between three arguments.


I don't think the issue is explaining what Taiwan is to the mainland Chinese. It's no secret. It is a (renegade, in the eyes of the mainland) province. Chinese students are taught about it (obviously from the Beijing perspective). And they know that at least some Taiwanese (the "splittists") don't agree with the One China Policy and that as a province they reject Beijing rule. I have no problem in university taking on any difficult topics, but I would be very leery of trying to "educate" students about their own country. There may be issues and history that is hidden or glossed over, but the general parameters aren't, in this case, and I wouldn't try to teach them even if I were qualified to do so.

I don't think it would be a dodge to compare it to other situations. Rather, the enlightener could quickly paint his or herself into a corner. If Taiwan politics comes up in conversation, better to let the students explain or argue among themselves. I would correct if the wrong English word for city or province was used, but not try to teach history from my own vantage point.
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Tetris



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just tell them it's an island, and then continue discussing whatever prior subject.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
How does 'Taiwan' come up in any subject a foreign teacher of English could be called upon to teach?
Enlighten me.


/\ A joke, yes? Rolling Eyes

There are like a trillion way it can come up.

Games:

A!....Angola!
B!...Brazil!
C!...Canada!

.....etc.

R!.... Rawanda!
S!... South Korea!
T!.... (don't say!)

One, of a trillion examples.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ymmv wrote:

Which OTHER six Chinese universities rate higher than Bei Da and "Xinhua" (you mean Qinghua) in the World Rankings?

Cite?


Chinese universities, in order of rankings:


The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

University of Hong Kong

Peking University

City University of Hong Kong

Tsinghua University

Fudan University

National Taiwan University
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petebeatstreet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is only one honest answer here. The people of Taiwan are confused about their identities


Not at all pal - the common Taiwanese is VERY sure of who he or she is, and that Taiwan is an independent country (own laws, government, currency, passport etc etc etc).

Don't for a second think the Taiwanese consider themselves part of Mainland China.
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SahanRiddhi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highly doubtful that the CCP is even serious about reunification with Taiwan. Like everything else in Asia, it's a face issue. Taiwan's constitution says that government, run by the Kuomintang, is the one legitimate government for all of China. That would include the mainland! That, naturally, never sat well with the CCP. In fact, the mainland constitution paints the CCP-run government as the only legitimate government of China, to include Taiwan!

So the CCP is never, ever going to accept the legitimacy of the Kuomintang in Taiwan. To do so is to concede that the CCP-run government in Beijing has no legitimacy, even on the mainland. The CCP will always make boisterous claims as to its right to rule Taiwan.

Does the CCP actually want to rule Taiwan? That is another issue entirely. I suspect they think it'd be more trouble than it's worth.
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chinesearmy



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unification is inevitable

its just a matter of how and what terms.

taiwan economy depends on china

if someone thinks taiwan is a functioning democracy you obviously never seen the fights in parliament.
Laughing

it'll kinda suck for taiwan when unification comes and then tonnes of people from the boonies are invading taiwan, just like how they are flooding shenzhen shanghai and beijing
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The part that really sucks is that Taiwan has it's own people who were killed out by the KMT (Government People's Party). It was wholly funded by taxpayers in the states (thanks mom). The han (a made up term to unify people on the CCP/GMD lines) keep taking more and more. They are not an ethnic group, it is like ticking white to mean me on a form.
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petebeatstreet



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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unification is inevitable

It will be in the style of Hong Kong. But that doesn't make me or the millions of Taiwanese any less miserable about that fact.

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taiwan economy depends on china

Right.

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if someone thinks taiwan is a functioning democracy you obviously never seen the fights in parliament.

It's a young democracy. But those fights are great to watch.


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it'll kinda suck for taiwan when unification comes and then tonnes of people from the boonies are invading taiwan, just like how they are flooding shenzhen shanghai and beijing


The mainlanders are already over in force, touring and being loud and obnoxious. The Taiwanese don't like it.
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sainthood



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
ymmv wrote:

Which OTHER six Chinese universities rate higher than Bei Da and "Xinhua" (you mean Qinghua) in the World Rankings?

Cite?


Chinese universities, in order of rankings:


The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

University of Hong Kong

Peking University

City University of Hong Kong

Tsinghua University

Fudan University

National Taiwan University


My source is http://www.webometrics.info/top12000.asp, which puts National Taiwan Uni as the highest non-university in the world! (granted, there are issues with how they are actually ranked, which is why the USA has 90% of the top 100... (based on how public a face the place has in the world).

This link is for top universities in Asia alone: http://www.webometrics.info/top100_continent.asp?cont=asia


I also tell my students that they really need to study history to understand the world, and its people, anyway - regardless of personal opinion.

Although the students have been fairly well indoctrinated, I am finding a certain amount of freedom of thought and opinion, and not everyone agrees with the party line. And, some actually like being able to express that opinion a little more freely, and perhaps, "safely".
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Guerciotti



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: What is Taiwan? Reply with quote

askiptochina wrote:
How do you classify Taiwan to your students? One student said it is a city, a part of China. I wasn't quite sure of how to address him. With low level vocabulary, country was the only thing I could think of. They probably wouldn't understand "province" if I said it.


An island off the coast of China.
Very Happy
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