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waxwing



Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr peeps please try to follow the OP's instructions, and post the prices in USD! It's a pain in the a$$ trying to convert everything mentally!
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1000 GBP for rent in HK. Is that correct or a typo?
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Wolf



Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 1245
Location: Middle Earth

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Location: Rural China

Rent - Free
DSL - Free
Commuting fees - Not applicable.
Utilities (telephone, gas, electricity, water) - $40 US
Food - $40 US (I'm not careful about how/when I shop.)
Beer - Not applicable.
Entertainment fees - Varies, but usually not very much. Certainly less than $30/month.
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sidjameson



Joined: 11 Jan 2004
Posts: 629
Location: osaka

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see that this idea has been taken up. Thanks Waxwing for pointing out that by using US$ it is probably the most convenient for all.

May I suggest that people with free rent post what it would cost as the purpose of this post is to give others an idea of the costs of that country. On the same note I think that a description can be useful when describing your social life. Most teachers I know do like to go out but of course how much you drink varies.

Oh and gender and age really is relevant.

Struelle, my health insurance is a great deal but unfortunatly only available in Japan.

Guys in the Dunes, $0, $0, $0, $0 etc wow, but how about your social life what is the cost of fun? Remeber that? Very Happy
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 5309
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here goes. My costs are different than yours as this includes my wife and 2 yr old which I support. I'm still 32 for a little while yet and other than going out for dinner, there's not a crazy social life (no such thing as babystters in Japan). We live outside a small city in Japan, so costs are much less than Tokyo.

$1 US=105 yen

Rent for a 3 bed house $250 (school pays about $350 more)
Utilities (phone, heat, water, electricity) $300-400
Internet and long distance phone $55
Groceries $750
Med. insurance $150
Gas $85
Gym $15
TV $0
Restaurants $100
Diapers $30
Tax 5% (love it)
Booze $0
Clothes ??
Trips back home $$$$ (don't ask)
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 3484
Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a well-known franchise school in Jakarta, Indonesia. My net income after tax is $900 US. I use the school's housing (a shared house), and I pay about $100 US per month for rent and basic utilities (electric, water, cable TV, etc.) All the bedrooms have AC.

Our house has a live-in maid who cooks and cleans. We each pay the maid an additional $40 a month to cook lunch and dinner Monday through Friday.

I have dial-up (can't get broadband where I live) and that's about $1 US per hour. I usually use the local internet cafe for about 50 cents an hour.

I spend maybe another $100 a month on food and drink in the house. I eat well, but don't drink a lot of booze - maybe a few cans of beer a week. In addition I usually blow about say another $100/month on restaurants, music, VCDs, clothes, and western luxuries.

The rest I bank. For first half of my contract I wasted a lot of money but now that I'm nearing the end I'm pinching my pennies so that I have money to move to my next job. I estimate that when I finish the contract I'll have saved up about $5000 US.
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yaramaz



Joined: 05 Mar 2003
Posts: 2384
Location: Not where I was before

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middle of nowhere, central Turkey. I earn 600 GBP/month with all taxes taken off before I see it.

1.3 million tl= 1usd

2.2 million tl=1gpb

Shared flat (big, sunny, lots of balconies): free
Utilities: free, except for the bottled gas for stove and hot water (approx 10 million/month, usually less)
Internet in flat and in school: free
Cleaning lady: 12 million tl/month (my half of the cost of her monthly scrub-fest)
Food: varies, but quite cheap--- breakfast approx 50 us cents/day for cheese and potato filled buns and tea; 1.50-2.00 USD for full hot lunch with coke, tea, and pudding; dinner is quite variable because when I eat out I rarely am allowed to pay-- I haven't paid for dinner since Friday in fact... However, as an example, in a nice restaurant you can have a huge, very healthy multi course meal (soup, salads, main course with lots of veggies, rice, lean meats, etc, non-alcoholic drink, endless tea, dessert) for about 5 usd. Food at home is pretty cheap. My grocery bills are rarely more than 100 usd/month and that includes alcohol, laundry soap, cookies, etc.
Alcohol: beer: 500 ml can of Turkish beer: 75cents, bottle of good Turkish wine: 2usd+, bottle of raki: 5 usd (note: I dont drink much, and there are no pubs or clubs or anything fun in this city...)
Weekly Guardian newspaper: 2usd (but savoured- english is rare here)
Transportation costs: none, usually, as I live on campus near the center of the city, on the main commercial drag. If I need to go to the bus station to travel, it costs 3 or 4 usd by taxi.
Bus ticket (single) to Cappadocia: 3 usd; to Ankara: 10usd; Istanbul: 25usd

I tend to travel a lot as we have a lot of holidays- went to Portugal for a week in November, spent 9 days in Paris at Xmas, and spent 10 days in London for winter break. I also travel around Turkey on weekends, stay in pensions and eat out, take taxis, etc. I go home to Canada every summer.

Basically, I rarely spend more than 300 pounds/month and I usually bank the same amount. The only exception was in January when I spent all 600 on my trip to London (well worth it)
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Wolf



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: Middle Earth

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:


Guys in the Dunes, $0, $0, $0, $0 etc wow, but how about your social life what is the cost of fun? Remeber that? Very Happy


Fun? No, can't say I remember it. Very Happy
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struelle



Joined: 16 May 2003
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Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fun? No, can't say I remember it. Very Happy


Aw c'mon Wink I'm a workaholic myself and not exactly the most fun guy on the planet, but heck. Spending money, and a party every now and then ... can't go wrong.

A couple of days ago I had more fun in ages, probably it was the first day off in ages too Smile

But I've found that being in China always sees this time of year as the busiest, leading up to Labor Day. Then things quiet down a bit, before the summer ramps up for another round. The time before Christmas is another busy one.

I really enjoy working hard through the busy times when I know there are breaks, and fun, coming up. It's the long and steady work that kills me.

Steve
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Wolf



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: Middle Earth

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

struelle wrote:
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Fun? No, can't say I remember it. Very Happy


Aw c'mon Wink I'm a workaholic myself and not exactly the most fun guy on the planet, but heck. Spending money, and a party every now and then ... can't go wrong.



Fun costs a LOT more than living. Especially seeing as how I live about 1000km from the more interesting places, and I have to save most of what I make for grad school fees.

It's not a choice, it's just a way of life. Sad

Why do you think my post count here has gotten so high?
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 5309
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolf wrote:

Why do you think my post count here has gotten so high?


Do you think there's an inverted correlation between post counts and a life? Wink
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basiltherat



Joined: 04 Oct 2003
Posts: 952

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Guys in the Dunes, $0, $0, $0, $0 etc wow, but how about your social life what is the cost of fun?


Yeah. It sucks big time but ,here, its 12 weeks on (boredom at its worst if u dont read, play scalextric or take advantage of the sparse recreational facilities) and 4 weeks back in uk.
some of us expats have group meals we cook ourselves and play cards etc but thats about it. To put it bluntly, there aint much 'fun' wen we're 'on'.
cost of no fun = $2500 net
basil
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Irish Blood English Heart



Joined: 22 Mar 2004
Posts: 256
Location: Gosforth, The United Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well im not in China yet, but heres an indication of how much it costs to live in a large regional city in Northern England:

UK Pound 1 : 1.9 US Dollar (aprox)

Rent: $600 p/m
Food: $150 p/m
Travel around town: $100 p/m
Internet connection (56k): $20 p/m
Television License: $20 p/m
Pint of beer: $4/5
Night out: $60
Taxi Home: $15
Pair of cheap Jeans: $40
T-Shirt: $20
Petrol: $6 gallon
Car Insurance: $100 p/m
Small car to buy: $10000
Utilities: $150
Starter small Apartment to buy: $300,000

Average wage for someone my age: $1500 p/m

As you can see it is a bloody nightmare trying to make ends meet in the UK, which is one of the reasons i am out of this country come September.

On the Plus side its dead cheap for our Brits to travel abroad when we travel because of the huge exchange rate in our favour. Makes it crap while to save abroad though.
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dmb



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolf wrote:
sidjameson wrote:


Guys in the Dunes, $0, $0, $0, $0 etc wow, but how about your social life what is the cost of fun? Remeber that? Very Happy


Fun? No, can't say I remember it. Very Happy


The cost of fun in the dunes is about 5 pounds 50 a pint.
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Lanza-Armonia



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
Posts: 525
Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany

PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the hell are you guys getting paid?

Damn it! a grand (UK) a month rent in HK? 200 quid a month on grub (food)? what do you beggers eat?

Everything in my apartment is included.

Grub, heating, lecky, internet, TV, blah blah blah. We've only to pay the phone.

going out - $80
DVDs - $20
Shopping <everything> - $80
Travel - $20

Thats about it! What I wouldn't do to be down in HK right now....
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