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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| 2) Turn up for a job interview and, after which, if they don't like you, to scramble for a job or head home. If they do like you, option 1 or 3. |
If scramble means leaving and getting a new job the next day, this may not be so bad. Job offers are plentiful enough that you don't need to commit to a school from afar. So what if they don't like you? So what if you don't like them? I would rather be able to leave a school or work out visa issues with a school I liked than be stuck with a school I didn't like. If you are already in China, then you only lose a little rent money in between jobs, which is a small price to pay in order to know you will work where you want for a whole year.
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| u may have to go back to your country of origin |
I got mine in Korea. |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| askiptochina wrote: |
| If you are already in China, then you only lose a little rent money in between jobs, which is a small price to pay in order to know you will work where you want for a whole year. |
I was really only talking about someone considering coming here for the first time and entering on an L with the promise of work (and giving some of the worst-case scenarios in terms of what to expect).
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| If scramble means leaving and getting a new job the next day, this may not be so bad. Job offers are plentiful enough that you don't need to commit to a school from afar. So what if they don't like you? So what if you don't like them? I would rather be able to leave a school or work out visa issues with a school I liked than be stuck with a school I didn't like. |
Sure, I get it, free spirit and lots of choice. I was simply pointing out that coming over on an L-visa might mean that a teacher finds themselves at a job interview rather than a job. If someone is fine with that, then great. Certainly, if you are on the ground you often have a much better selection of jobs, especially if you know the city.
If it is your first 24 hours in China and everything you were expecting (job, housing, time to find your feet) has suddenly disappeared, you might not be so thrilled, or find it easy to just grab another job "the next day".
Can you stumble out of the airport after a long flight and find yourself in a fantastic job with a great apartment?--perhaps. But not sure that would be the impression I would give to someone who is still just trying to get their head around the visa situation. |
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lockedinadrawer
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I was really only talking about someone considering coming here for the first time and entering on an L with the promise of work (and giving some of the worst-case scenarios in terms of what to expect).
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| If scramble means leaving and getting a new job the next day, this may not be so bad. Job offers are plentiful enough that you don't need to commit to a school from afar. So what if they don't like you? So what if you don't like them? I would rather be able to leave a school or work out visa issues with a school I liked than be stuck with a school I didn't like. |
Sure, I get it, free spirit and lots of choice. I was simply pointing out that coming over on an L-visa might mean that a teacher finds themselves at a job interview rather than a job. If someone is fine with that, then great. Certainly, if you are on the ground you often have a much better selection of jobs, especially if you know the city.
If it is your first 24 hours in China and everything you were expecting (job, housing, time to find your feet) has suddenly disappeared, you might not be so thrilled, or find it easy to just grab another job "the next day".
Can you stumble out of the airport after a long flight and find yourself in a fantastic job with a great apartment?--perhaps. But not sure that would be the impression I would give to someone who is still just trying to get their head around the visa situation. |
Promises? hehe
More power to you for such known violation and trust.
Get your visa in advance as the law requires. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Get your visa in advance as the law requires. |
The law does not require you to get a visa in advance. It just requires you to get a visa before you work. If you choose to go somewhere on a tourist visa or student visa, then get a work visa, that is completely legit. |
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bobdaun
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Just a quick update.
A colleague (US passport holder) went to Hong Kong last week to get his Z visa.
The school had done the paperwork for him which specified that he was to apply for the visa in Hong Kong. He applied for it and the visa was ready the next day.
His previous visa was an L visa, which he had used to enter China and mosey round for a couple of months doing touristy things. While he was here he signed a contract, left China, went to Hong Kong to get a Z visa, then re-entered China.
There was no problem with this as he did not work on an L visa (he got his Z visa before the contract started) and he was not changing an L to a Z inside China, which used to be possible but no longer is (in most provinces anyway).
So long as all the paperwork specifies Hong Kong as your place of application, there should be no problem. |
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ArtHay
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: Z Visas |
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| I got my Z Visa in Hong Kong about a month ago. Your documentation has to specify Hong Kong as the place where you will apply for it. You also have to have copies of your schools license and your medical checkup results. Several people, including myself, were turned away because they didn't have the former, fortunately my school sent it to me a few hours later and I successfully applied the next day. |
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peewee1979
Joined: 30 Jun 2011
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Location: Once in China was enough. Burned and robbed by Delter and watching others get cheated was enough.
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| One of my coworkers went to HK today to get his almost expired tourist visa changed to a z visa. School paid for it. Let you know the results and challenges he faced Monday |
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Gringo Greg
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Location: Everywhere and nowhere
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My wife and I just applied for our visas in Hong Kong last Thursday morning and picked them up on Friday afternoon. We had the invitation letter and expert certificate. The invitation letter listed Hong Kong. They asked for a copy of our US medical forms. No medical form=no visa.
For us, it was our very first visa into China.
FYI, I'm American(visa with rush fee=1400 HKD) and my wife is Fiilipina(500 HKD) |
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igorG
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| We had the invitation letter and expert certificate. |
The expert cert sounds a bit odd to me. But i guess you can get it on mainland prior to applying for your Z outside. Out of curiosity, did they ask for your expert cert in Hong Kong or did you just provide them with it firstly?
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| They asked for a copy of our US medical forms. No medical form=no visa. |
Again, out of curiosity, did you enter HK from mainland or from the US? And, did you ask if a mainland (health cert) or HK medical form would be acceptable to them? |
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Gringo Greg
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I provided the certificate up front. I didn't wait for them to ask me for it. Maybe I didn't need to provide it?
I entered Hong Kong from Saipan(US territory). When I told the school that it might take 2 to 3 weeks to get a visa to China from the LA Consulate(Saipan to LA mail/fed ex is 3 to 5 days each way), they thought Hong Kong was a better idea. Because time was important, they sent the invitation letter and certificate to a hotel in Hong Kong where I picked it up when I arrived.
About the medical form, they simply asked for a copy of the medical form. My school had asked for a US medical report during the hiring process so I had my doctor fill out the Foreigner Medical Report form, or whatever it is precisely called. The visa office merely asked for a copy of that form. Since I was granted a visa, I can say that they take US medical report done on the standard Foreigner Medical report forms. I suspect that they merely need the form in order to put a check in a box, nothing more. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| My wife and I just applied for our visas in Hong Kong last Thursday morning and picked them up on Friday afternoon. We had the invitation letter and expert certificate. |
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Gringo Greg:
I entered Hong Kong from Saipan(US territory). |
Again, out of curiosity, how coud you have got the expert cert outside China? Or, did you keep your old one that was/is still valid? Sorry for asking but i had to return my own after i ended my last gig. |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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| I think the confusion may be because he doesn't mean Foreign Experts Certificate (i.e. the passport-like book we get along with our RPs when we convert our z-visas) but rather whatever document you get from the local government and you submit, alongside your invitation letter, for the z-visa. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
| I think the confusion may be because he doesn't mean Foreign Experts Certificate (i.e. the passport-like book we get along with our RPs when we convert our z-visas) but rather whatever document you get from the local government and you submit, alongside your invitation letter, for the z-visa. |
that would probably be the "working permit" issued by the
foreign experts bureau. |
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urbanversion
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject: re: guang dong ren |
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Are any guangdongs available to comment on this?
Regards
SMGS |
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Gringo Greg
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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thanks Dean, that's exactly what I meant.  |
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