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rayman
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| University of Wollongong. Good quality, solid reputation in Australia and a decent price. |
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charlie don't surf
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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OP:
For a fairly decent list of schools that offer an MA TESOL by way of distance learning, check out Tesol.org
Starting from their home page, click the following:
1) Career
2) TESOL Degree& Certificate Programs
3) The English Language Professional's Resource Guide
4) Degree & Certification Programs
tttompatz brought up an important point regarding the distinction between online programs from schools that are entirely web- based and online programs offered by the "brick and mortar" schools. He's right. A degree from a school with an actual campus will not specify whether the degree was completed by correspondence. Additionally, many of the brick and mortar schools have been around for a long time, and will generally have a better recognition factor and reputation than schools that are completely web- based.
Good luck. |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I was a program director for seven years and was in a position to hire. We DID hire people with distance degrees, but only from established universities. And, as tttompatz says, some distance degrees do not state as such on the degree script or transcript and UNLESS YOU TELL, we never would have known. Just don't do a distance degree from a dodgy institute with no established brand name.
Simple rule: Don't Tell; Don't Ask. |
I'm a little confused. You say UNLESS YOU TELL implying that I would want to make sure on my resume that the long distance learning I did was from an established university, but then you say the simple rule.
So- don't say anywhere that your MA was distance learning but make sure that can prove it is from an established university if asked? |
Yes, I know, 'tis a little confusing. Let me explain more fully by way of example.
I ran two programs for six years from two reputable Scottish universities. They claimed that their degrees earned in Asia were of the same value as the ones earned on their campuses in Scotland: same exams, same curriculum, same quality. They sent a rep every semester to ensure the quality. Once the students completed the program, they received a degree script and academic transcipt that in no way stated the degree was earned at an overseas location. Nowhere was the name of our college on those documents since we were just facilitating the classes, and providing the lecturers who used the provided material.
BUT...we had some dumb graduates who went for job interviews and stated, without being asked, that the degree was a xxx College/Scottish University degree! They weren't hired and were clueless as to why not.
So, for example, a Monash U degree is a Monash U degree whether it is earned at Monash in Ozzieland or at one of their international campuses. It shouldn't matter and, thus, the applicant shouldn't TELL and certainly shouldn't ASK: "Is it okay that my degree was by distance learning?"
Certainly if the interviewer presses for a direct answer to the question, one should answer that it was at one of their off-campus locations. But to answer: "I have a Joe's Shoplop/Monash U degree" is just plain crazy. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| KayuJati wrote: |
Nowhere was the name of our college on those documents since we were just facilitating the classes, and providing the lecturers who used the provided material.
BUT...we had some dumb graduates who went for job interviews and stated, without being asked, that the degree was a xxx College/Scottish University degree! They weren't hired and were clueless as to why not. |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| KayuJati wrote: |
Nowhere was the name of our college on those documents since we were just facilitating the classes, and providing the lecturers who used the provided material.
BUT...we had some dumb graduates who went for job interviews and stated, without being asked, that the degree was a xxx College/Scottish University degree! They weren't hired and were clueless as to why not. |
Well, I figure I'm in real danger of the 'dumb graduate' syndrome (!) and have one more question if you don't mind.
I don't understand the fact that the name of your college was not stated on the transcripts, diploma, or whatever. You mean the name of the college that the representative visited (the long distance facility), correct? Surely you can't mean the main university itself from which the degree was earned is not listed!
No brainer, I know.
I suppose not more than a few applicants figure that the fact that their degrees were obtained long distance is going to come out anyway so they state that clearly right off the bat to avoid being seen as deceptive. Additionally, I was always coached that on CV's I should state the location of the school along with the school's name (e.g. 'Sophia University/Tokyo, Japan'). So if one gets a long distance degree from Webster University, St. Louis but in reality did it in Penang, Malaysia does he put 'St. Louis' on his CV (assuming the school states that the degrees are exactly the same)?
In interviews I try to answer questions fully. I very well may omit something that does not need to be said, but I would never lie- which is what you are coaching here.
Thanks for the tips! |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| bluetortilla wrote: |
Well, I figure I'm in real danger of the 'dumb graduate' syndrome (!) and have one more question if you don't mind.
I don't understand the fact that the name of your college was not stated on the transcripts, diploma, or whatever. You mean the name of the college that the representative visited (the long distance facility), correct? Surely you can't mean the main university itself from which the degree was earned is not listed!
No brainer, I know.
In interviews I try to answer questions fully. I very well may omit something that does not need to be said, but I would never lie- which is what you are coaching here.
Thanks for the tips! |
These Scottish universities were giving the same degree scroll to their overseas graduates as to their Scottish campus graduates. So, technically, a graduate only needs to state the following on their resume/CV:
BSc Software Engineering, Distinguished Scottish University (Aberdeen, Scotland, UK)
(No, they weren't in Aberdeen; I am hiding details.)
Rather than this:
BSc Software Engineering, Local Podunk College/Distinguished Scottish University....
See the difference? That it was run at Local Podunk College did NOT matter to the Distinguished Scottish University; they considered the degree equivalent to that earned in Scotland. The university experience, of course, was vastly different. At Local Podunk, there were no Bagpipe Competitions available for extracurricular activity, for example. But there were uniquely Malaysian experiences instead. (E.g., tea tarik at 3 a.m.) |
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bluetortilla
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| Thanks. Yes, that makes perfect sense. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bluetortilla wrote: |
| Additionally, I was always coached that on CV's I should state the location of the school along with the school's name (e.g. 'Sophia University/Tokyo, Japan'). So if one gets a long distance degree from Webster University, St. Louis but in reality did it in Penang, Malaysia does he put 'St. Louis' on his CV (assuming the school states that the degrees are exactly the same)? |
My take on this issue is this. Cite the name and location of the institutions where you got the degrees. You don't necessarily have to state that they were distance degree programs. If you do, then it's up to you to decide whether you also want to state where you were when you obtained the degree. Personally, I don't see that as important. You got the degree, readers will see where it came from, and that's sufficient.
If the topic comes up somehow later (written correspondence inquiring about your degree, or live questions during/after an interview), tell them the whole story. As long as the degree comes from an accredited program, there is nothing sinister to hide at that point. Not stating that it was a distance degree program is not hiding anything as long as the degree is equivalent to one received from a brick-and-mortar school program. |
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bluetortilla
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I keep asking and have gotten a few suggestions but posters seem a little shy on this one:
-recommendations for schools with long distance learning MA TESOL programs?
-the ones with the most bang for the buck (reputable and affordable)?
-long distance MA's you can finish in a year or a year and a half? |
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tttompatz
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reputable:
http://www.tesol.org/s_tesol/seccss.asp?CID=1562&DID=8616
As to affordable, well you as an American with residence in Japan would have to pay the "international student" rates just about everywhere but they would still be cheaper than you would pay back in the states.
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Glenski
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bluetortilla,
I have no direct experience with this, but the site touting the program from Birmingham is well-respected.
http://www.davidenglishhouse.com/en/distance/birmingham/
You'll have to be the judge of buck vs. bang.
This blog gives tons of links on distance learning programs. You'll have to do the follow-up research to determine what seems more to your liking, and then I'd suggest posting specific questions about specific programs after that.
http://jalthokkaido.net/blog/?p=895 |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks a lot Glenski. I'll check it out and report! |
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:02 am Post subject: |
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What about Notting Ham College? MA in TEFL. Fair reputation?
At 3100 pounds for an MA, it sounds good to me! Or do we get what we pay for? Anyway, I'm not looking for anything prestigious, just accredited. |
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chezal
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Do you mean The University of Nottingham? If so yes they have a good reputation. They are ranked 10th in the UK and 75th worldwide.
I'm thinking of doing an MA in Education or a part time PhD in Education at sometime in the future.
Which campus were you planning to do this with? I know they have campuses in Malaysia and one in China somewhere.
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bluetortilla
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| chezal wrote: |
Do you mean The University of Nottingham? If so yes they have a good reputation. They are ranked 10th in the UK and 75th worldwide.
I'm thinking of doing an MA in Education or a part time PhD in Education at sometime in the future.
Which campus where you planning to do this with? I know they have campuses in Malaysia and one in China somewhere. |
No, I was tricked. I came up with 'Notting Ham College' on a web search and thought it was the university, though their web site seemed unprofessional. Anyway, I have it sorted out now. Thank you.
Good luck to you in your degrees! |
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