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Ariadne
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I encourage my students to write short, perfect sentences. The Chinese English teachers want the students to write long, flowery sentences... even if tense and number are all mixed up. Do any of you encounter the same problem?
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Guerciotti

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 842 Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| LongShiKong wrote: |
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| The uni told me I should only grade four or five papers from each class, only the best student's papers. WTF? That's not a solution, that's lazy. I won't grade just a few papers and I won't just make red marks on papers without explanation. |
I know how you feel. Instead of 'correcting' writing, you might save time and face by developing a coding system that you and students both use to communicate areas of difficulty. An underline, for example might represent an inaccurate part of speech; a wavy underline: inappropriate vocabulary; a circled space: missing words; etc. The first time you hand back work, have students consult with peers to correct what they can before resubmitting (for you to correct what's left) Writing should be double or triple-spaced for this. Of course, you'll want to start off any such course with a Chenglish vs English lesson to avoid the most common errors.
The next time you have students submit work. Have (random) peers pre-code in pencil errors they spot telling them to track their progress over time in the % of errors they spot. It may compel them to proofread their writing the next time they submit.
To encourage risk-taking rather than sticking to simplistic writing just to avoid errors, you may wish to reward attempts (successful or not) at more complex sentence patterns and precise vocabulary as well as language taught. Again, with students helping you with this task, your work-load becomes lighter and their learning/motivation increases as they learn not only from their mistakes but also from peers.
I used to assign young kids 7 questions for homework. I'd give them half a mark for showing me they understood a question and knew the answer and up to another half mark for a complete accurate sentence reply. |
Thanks Mr. Long, I can use some of these ideas. Really appreciate it!
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SahanRiddhi
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 267
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ariadne wrote: |
I encourage my students to write short, perfect sentences. The Chinese English teachers want the students to write long, flowery sentences... even if tense and number are all mixed up. Do any of you encounter the same problem?
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Three guesses as to whose opinion they trust more as to how English should be written ...
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dean_a_jones

Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 1151 Location: Wuhan, China
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| Three guess as to whose opinion they trust more as to how English should be written ... |
Plenty of students here simply trust their Chinese teachers, unable to realise that they are unable to write correctly. That doesn't mean you shouldn't teach them properly. If they ultimately choose to ignore your advice then that's their own problem in the end. It is difficult to tell them the Chinese teachers are wrong without ending up with a massive 'face' problem.
If they still haven't nailed the basics, then short, simple and clear writing is a good approach. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:55 am Post subject: |
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If you're blessed with a big computer screen in class, let MSWord show them their mistakes...better yet, with free trial versions of writer's software that does even a better job, ...and best yet, type in a sample of their Chinese teacher's writing or type in something they've written (correctly) but which has been 'corrected' by their Chinese English teacher.
Another way to convince them something like "I go first." for 我先走。" (wo xian zou) is Chenglish is to Google it and the correct translation and let them compare # of hits and the context by which Googled instances of "I go first." are actually used. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Posts: 153 Location: Moving up the food chain!
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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private school, not a college/uni for me.
-i follow the curriculums i've been given
-i mark everyday (either workbooks for some quizzes)
-i try to supplement the mind-numbingly boring curriculum with activities/games/video clips/songs
-in my club activities, i will show full-class videos occasionally though
other than that, my school expects the standard stuff out of me, ie. on time, formal dress mon-thurs, no rocking of the boat, etc. if no parents or students complain about me and i finish the curriculum, i'm golden  |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 283 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks so much for your input, everyone. I guess "punishment" was the wrong word, but I am suffering a bit. The school just doesn't care what I do in my classes and loads me up accordingly, but the students DO care. It is all well and good for the school to tell me to play games or show movies, but they aren't the ones that have to be in my classes each day, looking at all of the students' faces.
I think it is just the way the cards fell at my particular school, but the students seem to trust the foreign teachers more than the Chinese teachers.
Now, before someone says so, I'm not new at this. I've also been at schools where my students would actually try to trick me into making a mistake in order to confirm their Chinese teachers' superiority. I know how it normally works, but I get a totally different vibe from these kids.
I just feel a lot of pressure from the students and zero support from the administration at this particular school. I hate feeling like I'm not completing my work. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 1473 Location: asia
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Many employers on mainland China provide "ZERO" support for their FTs. They often assign their puppets to serve, protect and control you.
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| the students seem to trust the foreign teachers more than the Chinese teachers |
This may be deceiving. They may show you a respect in the classroom but they'll confirm their doubts with local pros. |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 283 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| This may be deceiving. They may show you a respect in the classroom but they'll confirm their doubts with local pros. |
yeah, I know. I have experienced that before and it is different now. |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Miajiayou wrote: |
I just feel a lot of pressure from the students and zero support from the administration at this particular school. I hate feeling like I'm not completing my work. |
I guess I receive zero support from my boss as well. She gives me a schedule once a semester and she comes by once a month to hand me my salary, and I never hear from anyone who works at this school other than that. Doesn't seem so bad to me. |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I guess I receive zero support from my boss as well. She gives me a schedule once a semester and she comes by once a month to hand me my salary, and I never hear from anyone who works at this school other than that. Doesn't seem so bad to me. |
I think westerners expect micromanagement. Let's be thankful. |
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snacksturbo
Joined: 01 Jan 2011 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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In any writing class i have had to teach i used a 25 point scale. I didn't mark the papers, but i did read them all. The areas i used were Grammar, coherence, and the like. This varied to the writing task. I would give them a mark from 1-5 in each focus area.Then at the start of each class i would hand them back out for them to see their scores in a specific area. Their task was to find as many mistakes as possible on their own, and ask me for help if they feel they cannot understand why they were given a score. I use each task of writing as an ongoing project. They may have to correct it several times. This instills the idea of writing several drafts before calling a project finished.
It really works well, and keeps me from using a red pen everyday. The students get the idea very quickly to go over their work before they present it to me. Now we all know the students are busy people and they will plagiarize. This is just something you have to deal with within the confines of the culture, but never accept it. I give a writing task every two weeks, this can quickly become a massive amount of work for me and them if i allow them to keep trying or handing in substandard work.
You will find you have two types, those that dont care what mark they get, and those that do and go to a lot of trouble to make it right. The latter are the ones i focus my attentions on, which normally is only half or less of the class. The others wont correct and i enter the mark. I hope this system helps you and also serves the students needs. |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 283 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I only want the administration to support me in the choices I make for my classes. I had a great plan for a writing class this year, and was told to scrap it and teach from a horrible textbook. When I tried to strike a balance between the two, it didn't work. They don't seem to understand why I don't want to just teach the text, as it would be much "easier." Yeah, easier, but terribly boring (for both me and the students). |
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